First tree, advice and wisdom sought
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Andrew wrote: Hi, I'm no expert, but from your tree in the pictures, it looks very similar to a 5 needle juniper (similar)
I have never heard of a 5 needle juniper. Are you confusing it with a 5 needle pine?
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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24298wabbitGTI wrote: I've also seen quite a few of your posts as well, Auk, and have come to see that although you have a fair bit of experience and knowledge your curt responses and cynical attitude towards others, especially novices, is quite off-putting to say the least. This is a very small forum and it is likely due to folks such as yourself. I'll continue my research elsewhere and interact with those who have a bit more patience for the amateur.
Sorry to see this. Can I ask you to look at this post: ?
Is Auk direct in his answers? Ys. Is he direct in his question? Yes he is. Is he doing it to help people grow out of the ignorance phase as quick as possible? Yes he is. One of the clear differences between countries in the way things are learned. In the Netherlands, a system is used where students are guided by questions and comments that should trigger thinking. This may not seem helpfull, as these are often short, to the point and referring people to do more reading. It is one way to help people. I do realize that other cultures have other learning methods.
Look again at the answers and questions given. Not a single one was intended in the negative, although some of them could be perceived as such. They are actually all aimed at pushing you in the right direction. Stick around. Read content, and do not assume intend and you shall find most posts are actually helpfull.
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wabbitGTI wrote: Should I do any thinning or just let it grow as is?
Advice has been given wabbitGTI. Auk has spent time on your problem, and has offered knowledge for free. You can think of him as a "harsh" teacher, yet he is not even charging you. He wants to help.
This is what I would do if I were you.
I would not re-pot this plant this time of the year, if you read around, you'll realize time to re-pot junipers is on early spring, right before buds open. What you can do though is carefully lift the plant and check the root mass. If the root mass is massive (fills the container), and you have roots circling around the root ball, you can do the following. Transplant it to a larger bigger container(2-3 gal maybe?), very carefully, leaving roots untouched and without removing the soil from them. Fill the container with whatever your choice of soil is. Let it grow on this container for 2-3 years, then re-pot properly in a bigger container, let it grow 2 years, then if everything goes well, if it is healthy and vigorous, to the soil it goes for at least 5-7 years. Then you'll have something you can make into pre-bonsai.
Plan B: You lifted the plant, and root mass doesn't fill the container. Leave it there, and re-pot next year on better soil on a bigger container, let grow for 2-3 years, etc etc..
Plan C: You DON'T want to lift the plant, it looks healthy, you don't feel comfortable transplanting it this time of the year. Leave it, take care of it, re-pot next year on proper soil on bigger container, let grow 2-3 years, etc etc...
Have in mind, Junipers grow very very slow.... so leaving the plant on the current pot for the rest of the year should be fine.
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leatherback wrote: I do realize that other cultures have other learning methods.
Yes... follow the rules, and you get a cookie. We need more critical thinkers!
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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24306Hm.. Except for the fact that the advice is not very good.simplysaid wrote: eangola: you have some really experienced advice for someone who's only been studying 名媛直播 for a few months. You must really be doing a lot of research. Are you involved in a club or taking classes?
The FIRST thing you need to do is make sure that roots are not tangled up. slip-potting a juniper in a pot when the main root stucture has not been cleaned out, will give you a nightmare when it is ready for rootball reduction.
I would probably still consider repotting a juniper, but would not recommend it for someone starting off. So you can leave it in this pot, or give it a bit more root. However, in mid-spring, once the weather has warmed up and the juniper is clearly growing, dientangle the root so thateach root occupies its own space. Then plant wherever you want. In the full ground is mainly useful if you can leave it there for 2+ years. One for establishment. THe second for a bit of growth. THe real growth is from year 3 and onward. If you know you will be moving you could consider putting it in an anderson flat. THat will get you decent growth, assuming full sun etc.
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leatherback wrote:
slip-potting a juniper in a pot when the main root stucture has not been cleaned out, will give you a nightmare when it is ready for rootball reduction.simplysaid wrote: eangola: you have some really experienced advice for someone who's only been studying 名媛直播 for a few months. You must really be doing a lot of research. Are you involved in a club or taking classes?
Why? if it is tangled already... it'll be a pain anyway. My reasoning came to. If the tree has overgrown its pot ,and it needs to be re-potted, it is too late to re-pot now if you are not very experienced. slip-potting shouldn't cause much harm, but instead leave the tree some room for the rest of the year, and how much worst could it get with the little time of growing season its left? Junipers take a long time to fill a pot, I doubt it would get "horrible" in the next 2 months of growing season (dpending where you leave). When time to re-pot comes, you can let the soil dry a bit, not too much. And it shouldn't be that difficult to untangle. I had some really badly tangled Juniper to work on this year, I just let the soil dry a bit, and worked slowly with a chopstick and fingers, misting the roots every now and then.
Now, that is my inexperienced reasoning. So simplysaid, I am not that experienced, I only worked with a few trees this year and have had success so far. No club or anything, and theoretical knowledge. I don't think my advice was that terrible though.
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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24313leatherback wrote: Sorry to see this. Can I ask you to look at this post: ?
Is Auk direct in his answers? Ys. Is he direct in his question? Yes he is. Is he doing it to help people grow out of the ignorance phase as quick as possible? Yes he is. One of the clear differences between countries in the way things are learned. In the Netherlands, a system is used where students are guided by questions and comments that should trigger thinking. This may not seem helpfull, as these are often short, to the point and referring people to do more reading. It is one way to help people. I do realize that other cultures have other learning methods.
I owe Auk a sincere apology, and I would like to thank those who took time to clarify this fact for me.
I did not realize we had an international group here and I certainly know the sentiment well after many years of involvement with European automobiles. Knowing this now I can see the error in my judgement and have re-read all of his comments in this post and a few others. Again, I humbly apologize for the misunderstanding.
I would like to thank all of those who have commented for their assistance as you ALL have more experience than I do. I hope we can continue this discussion and I will keep you updated as to the condition of the plant once I have a chance to examine the root system.
I recalled that we have a very mature juniper, probably older than I am, that has been planted at my grandfather's home that could make a suitable pre-bonsai. I may update with a photo or two of this plant and see the thoughts of the elders.
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