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Posted 9 years 10 months ago #14564
Hello. I have just recently purchased a Japanese elm who has spent the last few months recovering from customs quarantine. she has recovered well. I have attached some images, when do i start styling her? Do i wait until she is full grown out or do i begin now? When do i start wiring? Any advise would be greatly appreciated. I am sure you can tell by now, it is my first bonsai.
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Posted 9 years 10 months ago #14565
with these kind of "bonsai", styling is much harder than if it were plain nursery material, you would have to wait twice as long. the branch structure that already exists is in small proportion.

so, my conclusion would, be, if you wish to try on this material, i am happy for you to do it :) , however it will take far longer than if you had nursery material of your choice. i am saying this due to the fact that time you cannot get back, so you have a choice to or not to do it.
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Posted 9 years 10 months ago #14566
Thanks bob. So to clarify, the branches are too small and i should wait until they grow out a bit? Nursery material meaning younger trees? I may invest in that but for now, i am to work on the one i have. So, conclusion is to wait?
And what about pruning? Do i wait until it is grown out more to identify dead twigs, clip then and then work on pruning?
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Posted 9 years 10 months ago #14567
when I mean nursery material, i mean material you get from garden centres like box shrubs or small azaleas are they are grown unchecked and so have more of a branch structure. i am saying to wait so there is a better option for leading branches and so on. at the moment, there is not much to work on, so yeah, waiting for it to grow would be the best option for me. however, while it is growing, you could invest or somehow get nursery material even from sales to practice pruning and so on. remember, there are two types or pruning. structural and maintenance pruning.

structural pruning is when you prune to improve the structure of the tree, so if you remove a branch to allow another to thrive more, or if you prune a chinese elm to help it grow branches from the nodes to improve branch density and structure.

maintenance pruning should be self explanatory, to just tidy up growth, so escape branches on a pine maybe.
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Posted 9 years 10 months ago #14568
(...)*as* they are grown unchecked(...)
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Posted 9 years 10 months ago #14569
It is a Chinese Elm, and it is a tree not a she. , and keep it in the best light possible, water when needed not to a schedule. It needs to grow for a while before you can do anything to it.
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Posted 9 years 10 months ago #14570
technically it is a he and a she (male and female parts of the flowers), however it's much simpler giving it a name if you go for that kind of thing. I know someone who calls their hornbeam Henry. :D :)
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Posted 9 years 10 months ago #14571
Thats great. Would be able to upload an image or two of what types of nursery material you mean? I am visiting a new shop on Friday to purchase another. In Dubai, we are very limited in terms of selection but would be great to get an idea of what to look for. Are we are looking at a few years of growth? and should i do maintenance pruning?thanks

M5eaygeoff, i hope its not the case but unless Rob from 名媛直播 Dubai (check out his site) who supposedly has over 20 years in the business doesn't know what he is talking about, must be a Japanese Elm. But if he is wrong and you are absolutely sure, i am shopping in the wrong place. And moving forward, He-She then?
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Posted 9 years 10 months ago #14572
well a name would be better :D . i have to say, it does look a lot more like a chinese elm though. Rob, I have no doubt has been in the business. that just being my point. he has been in the art, but the business side is far different to the art side in most bonsai retailers.

"The term "Mallsai" was coined by Vance Wood in 1986 and has come to mean any potted plant that is sold under the label "bonsai" and which is found in any retail outlet that is not a bonsai specialty nursery. These Mallsai are typically mass-produced and often have a surface covering consisting of gravel, which is glued on to prevent spillage during shipping and handling. They also typically come potted in heavily glazed and often colorful imported Chinese pots."



luckily, yours is not too bad.
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Posted 9 years 10 months ago #14573

taryam wrote: Hello. I have just recently purchased a Japanese elm who has spent the last few months recovering from customs quarantine.
When do i start wiring?


What Bob was trying to tell you:
This is a mallsai. It is not bonsai starter material, it is a 'finished' product, intended to look like a bonsai.
If you want to grow this tree to become a good bonsai in the future: that's not what it's trained for. It doesn't have the quality that's required for good starting material.

I'm not sure why you want to wire it - other than that all new bonsaiists seem to think that is a necessity - to start wiring, pruning and repotting asap. Because of this, most people kill their first tree.

With this type of tree you can do two things:
- Leave it as is, only prune it to maintain its shape. you would only prune shoots that get too long and don't fit in the current contours of the tree.
- Start all over and redesign it. This requires a long period of growth and training and some drastic measures like chopping the trunk. Not something for beginners.

I'd advise the first option. Just enjoy your tree, learn to take care of it and to keep it healthy. If you succeed, start thinking about a next step, and better starting material.

BTW I'm quite sure this is a chinese elm (ulmus parvifolia), not a japanese elm.
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