To plant or not to plant, that is the question.
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Posted 5 months 1 week ago #83866
I'm a new,?confused, and worried beginner. Since I want my trees to thrive, my possible mistakes worry me. Last night, I watched a YouTube video where?a bonsai artist thought potting a sapling would be a mistake. So, he suggested planting it?in the ground to let it thicken its trunk and absorb many nutrients.
In a different video, another expert wired a little tree in a small pot. This?confused me because the first?grower showed viewers two trees, one older and much smaller than the other. He said the older one looked younger because someone "dished" it too soon.
Now, I wonder what to do with my two or three-foot Japanese cherry tree. Should I grow it in the?yard for a few years before transferring it to a bonsai dish? What's best for the tree?
Here's the first of the two videos.
?Thanks. I appreciate your help and your knowledge.
In a different video, another expert wired a little tree in a small pot. This?confused me because the first?grower showed viewers two trees, one older and much smaller than the other. He said the older one looked younger because someone "dished" it too soon.
Now, I wonder what to do with my two or three-foot Japanese cherry tree. Should I grow it in the?yard for a few years before transferring it to a bonsai dish? What's best for the tree?
Here's the first of the two videos.
?Thanks. I appreciate your help and your knowledge.
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Posted 5 months 1 week ago #83867
Trees want to grow. What is best for the tree may not be the best bonsai styling.
Now, thinking about styling only. A tree in ground grows faster than a tree in a pot. The tree in ground thickens up faster. Every time you cut a branch naturally the scar will be bigger and take longer time to heal. In the end this method will make it faster into a tree in refinement.
Opposite to that the tree in a pot will grow shower, cut wounds will be smaller and heal faster. This method take much longer time to a tree in refinement but in the long rum will give you a better quality tree.
So which is the best method? That is the challenge every bonsai artist have. It must be decided from your own vision for the tree and the time frame you have to get there. For a really nice decidious shohin tree in 10-15 years you can grow in a pot almost from the beginning. For a 1 meter tall pine there are no chanse you can achieve it to refinement within your life time in a shallow pot. Obviously there are 1000s of other visions that will take different time and give different quality in the results.
Why not get more trees? Plant a few in ground and a few in pots. Make a plan for all of them and learn from your experience. That is what I am doing.
Now, thinking about styling only. A tree in ground grows faster than a tree in a pot. The tree in ground thickens up faster. Every time you cut a branch naturally the scar will be bigger and take longer time to heal. In the end this method will make it faster into a tree in refinement.
Opposite to that the tree in a pot will grow shower, cut wounds will be smaller and heal faster. This method take much longer time to a tree in refinement but in the long rum will give you a better quality tree.
So which is the best method? That is the challenge every bonsai artist have. It must be decided from your own vision for the tree and the time frame you have to get there. For a really nice decidious shohin tree in 10-15 years you can grow in a pot almost from the beginning. For a 1 meter tall pine there are no chanse you can achieve it to refinement within your life time in a shallow pot. Obviously there are 1000s of other visions that will take different time and give different quality in the results.
Why not get more trees? Plant a few in ground and a few in pots. Make a plan for all of them and learn from your experience. That is what I am doing.
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Posted 5 months 1 week ago #83868
Buy a book join a club. Best way to learn, Youtube is not necessarily the best way.
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Posted 5 months 1 week ago #83869
Yes, indeed.? I was thinking about the word "expert" used in the post. On youtube there are people from all skills and experience levels producing videos. How can a beginner in the hobby tell which ones is on expert level?? They all sounds so sure about everything they say.
I had 4 years experience with bonsai when I started my channel. Today I have doubbled that. Growing a tree from seed to medium size?bonsai in a shallow pot?takes 20-60 years depending on species. Once you have done it yourself you may call yourself an expert, but you would not tell beginners to go that route.
Nigel Saunders have a ficus bonsai he have grown from seed in a shallow pot. I think it is around 30 years now and a stunning tree. I think he is the only expert?still potting up seadlings in shallow pots. Everytime I see it I cannot help to think that he will not be around to see it turn into the refinement stage.
For beginners I think the best way into the hobby is to get decent size nurcery plants and train styling on. By all means, do grow seadlings as well, that is fun. But doing just seadlings means that it will take more than 10 years before you can actually say you have a bonsai.
I had 4 years experience with bonsai when I started my channel. Today I have doubbled that. Growing a tree from seed to medium size?bonsai in a shallow pot?takes 20-60 years depending on species. Once you have done it yourself you may call yourself an expert, but you would not tell beginners to go that route.
Nigel Saunders have a ficus bonsai he have grown from seed in a shallow pot. I think it is around 30 years now and a stunning tree. I think he is the only expert?still potting up seadlings in shallow pots. Everytime I see it I cannot help to think that he will not be around to see it turn into the refinement stage.
For beginners I think the best way into the hobby is to get decent size nurcery plants and train styling on. By all means, do grow seadlings as well, that is fun. But doing just seadlings means that it will take more than 10 years before you can actually say you have a bonsai.
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Posted 5 months 1 week ago #83879
I know the tree would grow faster if I planted it, but my wheelchair can make a plant hard to nurture in our yard. Still, the tree's health matters most to me, so I'll plant it if I should. My personal care aid transplanted the tree into a giant pot full of Miracle-Gro potting soil to keep the plant near my door. Should he lug it into our home for the winter? It may be time to plant the tree in the yard.
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Posted 5 months 1 week ago #83880
That's a great idea. But the nearest bonsai club meets 50 miles away, and I can't drive.
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Posted 5 months 1 week ago #83881
Ok, well there some very good courses on here if you have a look. I have most of them, they are better than the ones you get on Youtube mostly. They start from beginners and cover more advanced, The tutors are among the best, well worth the money, yes you have to pay but you get much more.
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Posted 5 months 1 week ago #83883
A big pot sounds like a good plan. You should not bring temperate decidious trees indoors in winter. That is a sure killer.
80km is not that far. Maybe you can get someone to take you there? Or just call the club and ask for advices suitable for your climate? When it is time for first repotting into shallow pot you need contacts with skilled people anyway.?
80km is not that far. Maybe you can get someone to take you there? Or just call the club and ask for advices suitable for your climate? When it is time for first repotting into shallow pot you need contacts with skilled people anyway.?
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Posted 5 months 1 week ago #83886
Get in touch with them and see if anyone lives near you.
In Birmingham,? AL, there are members who come from 85?miles away south?in Montgomery, and I think from Fort Payne,? 120 miles north.
Most of our meetings are live over zoom. Your local club may do the same.?
In Birmingham,? AL, there are members who come from 85?miles away south?in Montgomery, and I think from Fort Payne,? 120 miles north.
Most of our meetings are live over zoom. Your local club may do the same.?
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Posted 5 months 1 week ago #83888
Thank you. I can't join the nearby bonsai club. I leave Sunday Mass at about 11 a.m., and the club meets at 12:30 p.m. So, I'd be late for the meeting, especially in the winter. So, Zooming would help a lot.
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