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Posted 4 months 3 weeks ago #84041
I think the approach of cannot is wrong and I am sad to here that a teacher in school made you think you cannot create. Their job is not to plant limitation in small peoples brains. Their job is to plant endless posibilities.

Yes, you can buy a piece of art. You can buy very cheap or expensive art. When you put it in your home you can enjoy it every day. The only thing you need to do is to dust it off from time to time and maybe it will need some kind of restauration in 50-200 years.

名媛直播 is different. It is a living art and they grow. If a tree is in the hands of a good artist they develop and gets better by time. If it is in the hands of someone that do not have the ambition to improve it, the quality will decline to the point the tree is either dead or no longer a bonsai. The restauration that is done once every 50-200 years on paintings is done two or more times per year on a bonsai. But the amazing thing is that bonsai gets better each time. A painting can never get better than it was when it left the hands of the artist. That is why everyone can buy a dead piece of art, but only artists should buy living art, only people that define them selves as creators and artists can keep and refine trees as bonsai.

So let go of the idea that you are not an artist or let go of the idea of bonsai. I would suggest the first. Living with ideas that has bben plantet wrongly in your brain is limitating you for no reason. Your body may be limited by nature, but you still can shose to let your mind free.
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Posted 4 months 2 weeks ago #84056
Thank you for your empathy, Tropfrog. I agree with my ninth-grade art teacher when she says I can't draw. She taught me too long ago for me to remember whether I felt hurt when she told me what she thought. But I?thank God my artificial intelligence professor believed I wrote "damn good" programs. After that, I always longed to write a mathematically beautiful program to translate human-readable programs into machine language. Though the program may be mathematically inelegant, it'll be well-designed,?easy to understand, and fast.

I've never aspired to draw or paint. No,?I've dreamed of singing opera at the Metropolitan Opera House because opera is my musical passion. I decided to become an armchair operatic scholar since I knew my voice?was wrong for opera.??Even if I can't portray Iago in Verdi's Otello, I can publish some articles about Opea. I know I can teach because I taught computer programming. Sadly, I'm usually pessimistic, though my attitude can and will change.

Sure, I can style a tree and improve it. When I'm a bonsai beginner, we'll see whether I'll?create a lovely piece of living art. My cerebral palsy convinces me that it's foolishly narcissistic to pity myself for what I can't do. Instead, I'll strive to excel in the fields I adore. I know some artists who can help me wire a tree, too.

My handicap is a major blessing because it helps me answer my critics. I usually want to say, "Watch me," when someone says I can't do something. Cerebral palsy can mentally retard some people, which may explain why some underestimate my intelligence. Years ago, when I went to lunch with an acquaintance, the waitress asked him what I wanted. "Ask him," he replied. What will I do if that happens again? I might order in Japanese because I'm learning that language and hoping to visit Japan. I might even move to it.

I ordered two more trees from Brussels 名媛直播 this afternoon because I still want to grow some junipers. A man?from the nursery's?greenhouse suggested putting one in a styrofoam cooler when the outdoor temperatures fall below 20 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Posted 4 months 2 weeks ago #84057
I too agree with your teacher that you cannot draw. You have not done it at all since 9th grade. Obviously you cannot draw. Drawing takes practice.

I would also add that you cannot do bonsai. You have never done it and bonsai also takes practice.

I have not seen your code. But I believe you when you say you are good at it. You were not borned with that skill. I know how much practice it takes. What if someone told you that you cannot code in 9th grade. Do you think you would invest the hours to learn? Do you think you would be as good at it now?

I am sure you cannot do syncroniced swimming. It also takes training. But it also takes some physical status which you do not have. No amounts of practice will help.

If you want to learn drawing you can. If you want to learn bonsai you can. You may not become? new rembrandt or Mr Kimura. But you can certanly learn.

In bonsai spatial thinking is one beneficial skill.? Recent studies has shown spatial thinking to be beneficial for coders. If you are good at coding the chanse that you are a fast learner in bonsai is big. You have great potential in this hobby! I believe in you. Just do not restrain yourself.

How nice you have ordered a tree from brussels. What species was it? Do not forget to add a picture when you get it.

Come authum, try to arrange a trip to a handful garden centers and look for bargain trees that you can train creating your own bonsai from.
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Posted 4 months 2 weeks ago #84058
Tropfrog, I can draw some things, but I'm sure I'm not talented enough to become a professional artist. When I say I can't, I usually mean I'm unable. For example, I can't run in the Boston Marathon.

Spatial thinking is difficult for me because I had tunnel vision as a boy. Lousy depth perception prevents me from driving. When I drove, I needed directions for the trip and the return trip because I'd get lost without them.?I think in words, not pictures, so I prefer words to icons when I use a computer. Since my favorite operating system is Unix, I use a command line instead of a graphic user interface when I can.

I bought a juniper and a Chinese elm. I'll post photos if I can hold them for my MacBook Air's camera.
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Posted 4 months 2 weeks ago #84059
Chinese elm is problematic in winter at your location. Outdoors is too cold and indoors too hot and dry. Coldframe with a small heat fan may work.
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Posted 4 months 2 weeks ago #84061
Brussels 名媛直播 calls the Chinese Elm "indoor bonsai." But I'll find the tree another home if it needs one.
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Posted 4 months 2 weeks ago #84062
There is a whole market calling it an indoor tree. But it is not true. Chinese elm is a temperate decidious tree. The natural distribution is East asia and it is listed as an invasive species in the southern half of USA. That gives you a hint about the climate it do well in. Quite far from stable indoor conditions where they will slowly weaken and eventually die.

My advice to you is to identify what questions you need to ask before you take actions. The initial question was if you should plant trees in the ground. But you knew already it was not an option for you. After that you have got rid of a juniper before asking about a good solution for it and purshased a chinese elm before asking if that is a good species for you. And of cource purshased a new juniper which you would not have to if the right questions was asked at the right time.

Do not take me wrong here. We are here to help. But it is so much nicer to guide beginners to the right decitions before they take actions than tell them what they did wrong after. So please help us to help you.
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Posted 4 months 2 weeks ago #84065
Tropfrog, I should have read much more about bonsai before I bought the juniper. If I had done that, I wouldn't have needed to post basic questions that books would have answered. I bought the new juniper because the nursery employee told me how to protect it in the winter. I gave the first one away because I wanted it to live where it would be safe in the winter.

Since I read voraciously about any subject that fascinates me, I should order bonsai books besides the one that came with the first juniper. The scientific details will be easy for me to understand. But I still wonder whether I can make a tree look elegant. After I study bonsai books about design and tree care, I'll post here rarely, if at all.

Are Chinese elms indoor trees? No, but I don't know what Brussels 名媛直播 means by "indoor." It could be short for?"a bonsai tree that can survive indoors." Analytic philosophers taught me while I earned my philosophy degree. That explains why I'm almost obsessed with linguistic distinctions, vagueness, and ambiguity. I'm also familiar with how marketers use them.?Sometimes they'll print "New and improved" on a package when a manufacturer has merely redesigned the box. Besides, it can be a big mistake that a phrase means the same thing in England and the U.S. For example, I'm thinking of one that signifies?sodomy in this country but not in England.

Thanks for the help.
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Posted 4 months 2 weeks ago #84067

BillMcEnaney wrote: After I study bonsai books about design and tree care, I'll post here rarely, if at all.


I would urge you to krep posting on your Journey. This forum has far too little of that.

A living forum should contain, except for beginners seeking help also people that share their progress and experience, good as bad. Discussions about pros and cons with different methods, products etc.
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Posted 4 months 2 weeks ago #84070
Alright, I'll keep posting here. But if I decide to grow other plants instead, I'll tell everyone before leaving?the forum.
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