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bob wrote: yes, you do have to prune it (i miss looked that as well) but it does look like an older, larger tree if you expand it in all directions. and you can actually get naturally stunted trees or shrubs in the wild, therefore it will have a thick trunk tapering, bark, and neatly arranged branches.

So you're contradicting yourself. As you write, it does need growth, pruning and wiring. The example is going to need a lot of growth first, before it develops a trunk, bark, and before it has any branches that can be arranged.

Yes, you can find naturally stunted trees in the wild. That's what I wrote.

It will be tampered with (either by a human using bonsai techniques, or by nature).

hi, i guess i miss read a lot of things (lol), but you can get wonderful bonsai specimens without having to wire them. i am sorry for wasting your time because you cannot get it back.

I was not referring to wiring, I have a lot of trees which I would not wire, it depends on the species.

So now that we're on the topic of wiring, how old does a tree have to be to shape with wiring?

at least 2 years, but the main factor is when you wire it in the year. i could be wrong for i know this for my trees (different to your trees).

It looks like a san hose juniper and it does not matter where you put it . You can't keep it inside , and it will die if you keep it outside in Wisconsin.

I wire plants as young as a few months old. Just think of the reason why you wire, and you come to the best moment. For intens movement in the trunk, I find wiring as your as possible to be usefull. but the plant needs a certain size for it to make sense to wire.

JUDGE wrote: it will die if you keep it outside in Wisconsin.

San Jose juniper is USDA Hardiness zone 4-9, so I'd say it depends on where you are in

Hi,
Some of the more knowledgeable members (auk) should attempt a little less condescending terms and attitude in general. To call his plant a twig is harsh and uncalled for. Being helpful does not include brow beating every plant. It may be a bonsai in future so just call it a friendlier title if you must. Most new members are just trying to learn a little and enjoy whatever they have. I for one am reticent to ask for anything because of the attitude. I hope my plants will be bonsai quality but I may not live that long. For now I want to have fun and grow interesting plants. Thanks in advance.

Nhpete wrote: Hi,
Some of the more knowledgeable members (auk) should attempt a little less condescending terms and attitude in general. To call his plant a twig is harsh and uncalled for. Being helpful does not include brow beating every plant. It may be a bonsai in future so just call it a friendlier title if you must. Most new members are just trying to learn a little and enjoy whatever they have. I for one am reticent to ask for anything because of the attitude. I hope my plants will be bonsai quality but I may not live that long. For now I want to have fun and grow interesting plants. Thanks in advance.

Hm.. Nhpete,
Although I in general agree that the comments at time are needlesly rude, I do not completely agre that you have to refer to everything as a bonsai. Key to getting towards bonsai stage, is knowing at which stage you are working. A twig like the one shown here can be tranformed into a bonsai. But it requires either lots of time & growth (And for that, it is in completely wrong container) or sever trimming.

At this time, it is just a cutting in a pot. Nothing more. Nothing less. It is not rude. It is the reality. But all pepople are different. I have grown up having very critical teachers. Auk and I are both from the Netherlands, where we do not like sugar coating the thruth. We much rather hear from the start that we are on the wrong track. It is very easy to tell people: That is great. But in 'our' eyes that does not help people to strive for the next stage.

Please do not let this discourage you. But think about what you havem and present it as such. Using the right terms for it, and adjustig your aims based on the material at hand, is the first step to growth