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You play tuba? If so, cool I play bass clarinet.

I do, hence the name, Tubaboy. i'm also a composer. I never try easy and quick things for some. Reason.

This forum needs two things:

1) A copy of the "Mad Libs First Post" that clearly demonstrates that no, your houseplant is not a bonsai no matter what you think that you have to read before posting.

2) A true "Beginner/newbie board" where people can ask dumb questions without incurring the wrath of the more experienced users.

One thing to keep in mind is that this forum, whether by design or just in practice, tends towards the more experienced and advanced bonsai practitioners. There are better beginner resources out there, including books, static websites, and even other forums that are much more "newbie friendly" than this one.

Its just like it can be hard for a beginner to learn chess from a grand master - you have to start with the basics, and then the intermediate, before you can even hope to understand the subtle nuances of a true expert. A lot of frustration (in my opinion) comes from this disconnect.

SpencerM wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that this forum, whether by design or just in practice, tends towards the more experienced and advanced bonsai practitioners.

i could not disagree more. The absense of experienced bonsaists is so obvious, that it draws the houseplant lovers like flies!

As a "newbie" I come to this forum to read and look at pictures of the more experienced. I'm not fully qualified to answer questions that are beyond my experience. I only offer opinions based on my own experiences.
But I agree with Leatherback. It does seem as though there are more houseplant lovers than seasoned 名媛直播 artists.

you have several problems on boards like these..

a) you have the complete beginners who ask random "what tree is this and why is it dead?" stuff.
b) you have seasoned hobbyists who know some stuff and get annoyed with the beginners dead tree questions.. these people are among the only ones posting somewhat bonsai-worthy material..
c) if for some reason a pro comes on here and says something from his experience.. somehow it will result in either the pro leaving the boards or getting banned.. because the above group B tends to have an ego, build up from helping group A and being used to being the knowledge of these boards..
(heard from a friend of mine that stuff like that happened on the dutch boards.. )

also.. pro people will avoid boards like this like the plague.. (though on ibonsai club some more know names are active)

somehow this is actually sad, especially since bonsai empire and Bjorn Bjorholm actually worked together for an online starter course..
but than again.. pro's only seem to share knowledge for cash.. (they do need to make a living out of it..)
anyone reading this and not knowing who Bjorn is.. check his videos bjorvala bonsai" on youtube..


another problem is... people think that THEIR way is best and only they are right.. and when someone disagrees there's some discussion and someone gets banned for "being too difficult to be allowed any further on the forums".. (that's why i also restrict to minor comments and don't post any trees.. )

leatherback wrote:

SpencerM wrote:
One thing to keep in mind is that this forum, whether by design or just in practice, tends towards the more experienced and advanced bonsai practitioners.

i could not disagree more. The absense of experienced bonsaists is so obvious, that it draws the houseplant lovers like flies!

I don't know... some of the forums I read regularly are very amateur compared to this one! Then again, maybe the real problem is that I am just too much of a beginner to even know what an expert bonsai forum looks like.

Truth be told, I use the reddit forum for floating silly ideas (like which of these nontraditionals would be good for bonsai) and when I have an actually growing problem, I always come here to read the information. Truthfully, my interest is less in styling (and my plant is way too young/unhealthy/mallsai to be styled anyways) and in good plant care, so that might also be why I think you guys are all experts.

I dunno though, I think highly of the regulars here. shrug

Dominion wrote: a) you have the complete beginners who ask random "what tree is this and why is it dead?" stuff.

The problem is that usually these are NOT beginners. Often it concerns people who got a tree as a present, or people who made an impulse-buy at a roadside stall, a trunk sale or bought something from that 'friendly old chinese guy', but that have no idea what bonsai is. They saw the karate kid and have loved bonsai ever since...

Their trees often are dead or dying, and after their initial question, you never hear from them again.

These are not beginners, they aren't even bonsai hobbyists.

Dominion wrote: c) if for some reason a pro comes on here and says something from his experience.. somehow it will result in either the pro leaving the boards or getting banned.. because the above group B tends to have an ego, build up from helping group A and being used to being the knowledge of these boards..
(heard from a friend of mine that stuff like that happened on the dutch boards.. )

Not sure I agron this. Especially when you mention the Dutch boards.. I happen to be among the people who have been on the Dutch boards for a long time. There have not been a lot of serious bonsai people on that section of this site either. There have been a number of arrogant students who happened to have access to some vvery good pros though..

The people that HAVE been banned there, have been banned for being rude, judgemental and in general a pain in the neck. NOT because potential knowledge was rejected. However, the problem there was more on people parrotting whatever they had heard in a course (The: My sensei says.. argument) and then being unable to adjust the comment made to their own tree from what is happening to the posters tree, starting name calling. Or the just "You will never have bonsai because .. " and "You are just stupid for not listening to me .." arguments. That is just not done on a forum which should be open for all levels of experience.

Dominion wrote: another problem is... people think that THEIR way is best and only they are right.. and when someone disagrees there's some discussion and someone gets banned for "being too difficult to be allowed any further on the forums".. (that's why i also restrict to minor comments and don't post any trees.. )

I am sad to hear that you do not post your trees because you are worried about discussions on whether your way is right or wrong. I for one would love to see what others are working on, and am always looking for alternative ways of doing things.

Dominion wrote:
another problem is... people think that THEIR way is best and only they are right.. and when someone disagrees there's some discussion and someone gets banned for "being too difficult to be allowed any further on the forums".. (that's why i also restrict to minor comments and don't post any trees.. )

I come on these boards to discuss and get engaged in opinions. I ask opinions expecting all different kinds. I have thick enough skin to handle any criticism on my trees.