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@ leatherback, your advise is very constructive and appreciated.

You are correct in every point you mentioned before.

The transition from the mountain area of Indonesia to Jakarta sometimes let the tree die just like that, I watch the trees at the street places in Jakarta, garden centre or even bonsai nurseries are rare (only at the mountain range). If someone is familiar with Jakarta then a trip to Bogor Puncak is just do to the traffic a day trip.

A usual plant seller part on the side of the road.





They had two Juniper, both the same size, and rather large, compare what normally is offered (half the size as on the picture).
The two trees there are very far branched and of no use for what I am am looking for, since I am looking for more trees to add to my forest.

Here are two pictures of the medium they are in and normally sold.





as you can see the new tips are needle like to, just the change of location, will bring this out.

Here are some trees on the toll road, compare to what was standing there in the last 10 years only 10% left and these are dying off too.







as you can see on the last picture it is dying of too, they have given up planting new once too.

Juniper and pine are rare, beside the condition in Jakarta heat pollution and general condition are not favourable.
I buy, if, only in the rain season, that gives me a better chance of survival. You are correct, that conditioning the tree is a vital part, but even so, the just within the first month, not being touched in any way, just watering. I spoke to sellers, they say the same, most die even in there places, that may be the reason why you only find a few in the first place.

@ leatherback Your quote: It seems like they are scale juniper. Yet they are full of needles. This is a sign you work the trees too hard.
You may be spot on with your comment however, the changing of the location, brings to 50% out the needles.

I show you some pictures below, of the tree that was cut, I only wired him and and re potted him, before his medium was earth, I changed it to my 名媛直播 medium. I did nothing else to it. It sits there now exact 3 years and only starts now producing needle free tips.









Here are some pictures of another tree, the same time and result all over. Here we also coming to the wiring, do to workload and being out of town during the first three month of wiring, the wire was grown in so much that damages where done without I could prevent this.






also here on my older trees needle start showing again without particular reason.
Some of the new tips I removed because of the needle showing, keeping Junipers or pine in Jakarta is an ongoing challenge, but this is part of the process.
So when you say I worked the tree to hard, you are right, but even so it is not always the case on trees I left alone turned to needles without I could reason it.

Indo Andreas wrote: Some of the new tips I removed because of the needle showing

Causing more stress, which will lead to more needles...

A little reply to your advice (AUX & leatherback) and a little action taken, I just spend two days searching for more Juniper around Jakarta, I found a couple that I will add to the forest plan. (they are hard to find in Jakarta as mentioned before).

I just have repotted this trees in single pots. In Indonesia (specially Jakarta) re-potting reporting Juniper is the hardest part to do, I can't really tell why (the heat condition is one factor), but as soon you touch the root system they start acting up. Needle regrowth, brown tips, drying in the all over condition, or worse even die off. I have made some pictures of how they actually being sold, and try to prevent on these past mistakes.

Some of the trees just being bagged into rice husk, where they even did not bother removing the previous bag. There is almost no way to save such roots, so you got to go with that you get of the previous bag.

The medium is sometimes so dry at the centre, that the roots just running down in the poly bag and start building up at the bottom and or simply rot. I made some pictures that explain the situation.

I will add all these new trees to the 5 trees in progress, these will be placed on a huge slate (picture to follow soon) that I found too.

These trees are smaller and/or larger to get the desired triangle and visual desire, however I wan't go away from my previous plan on branching, so all other will follow the way I did it on the 5, I got an idea on the end result, let see if it works.

As to the 5 trees,(and another two not shown yet) they are still in the training pots and where not placed to stay in the current formation.

However I take the advice given; and hope that the all over arrangement will give the desired result.

One of the trees I bought, has a very nice trunk, that are almost twice the diameter then the others, this tree will be placed in the future centre. Average size 50- 120 cm, desired hight 100-110cm.

I will cut the trees in hight to get the desired triangle shape in the future, this will however take some time before I can work on them.
Any tips are highly welcomed, I am listening and learn from the comment of AUX & leatherback and hope they give me more input in the future.

All new trees are potted on their own, it will take some time before they are settled and I can work on them. I don't use any fertilisers until i see new growth, however we have a stabiliser for trees called "Atonik" that everybody uses here in Indonesia when repotted.

They new trees


will for sure add some character to the all over look.
As to the five trees, wiring still is in progress.

I been told I work my trees to hard, that is true, but no matter what you do and how long or careful you are, they act up anytime you work on them as above explained.

The following pictures will explain the condition, how they been offered and show you why they are hard to adjust. First of all I got to see that they will survive.

We see how they adjust, let the patients begin.

What would happen if you chopped all the trees, and let them grow back bushy, then prune and shape them? Sort of, as if the outside ones were growing away from the middle one?

but then you'd need another, for the middle.

Four just doesn't seem right, five sounds better. Oh never mind, odd, prime numbers, just look good. Just my opinion.

You'll have to excuse Samantha, she has a certain preference for cutting things back.
In my mind, you seem to have said that you'll add these ones to the original forest planting. Am I right or am i just reading it wrong?

Please stick with your original plan as I would like to see what you would have in mind.

Ed

Samantha wrote: What would happen if you chopped all the trees, and let them grow back bushy, then prune and shape them?

Same problem as described when commenting on the 5 juniper forest.