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beeto wrote: When I have looked at pictures/ videos of some specimen maples I cannot see any scaring on the trunks, have these been grown using a different technique over longer periods or are the growers just better at hiding the scars?

Hi! Those maples you've seen could have been air layered from the top of a tree, that's one of the fastest ways to get good material and a limitated amount of scars

Drakes wrote: Hi! Those maples you've seen could have been air layered from the top of a tree, that's one of the fastest ways to get good material and a limitated amount of scars

Hm.. i don't understand this. How would you get good taper there, without the scars?

If you successfully air layer a big branch you should get a nice trunk to start a bonsai, isn't it right? Obviously there's no way to get good taper from top to bottom with no scars, but you should get less scars using this technique instead of growing and cutting or leaving a sacrifice branch. Tell me if there's a little truth in my words, I could be wrong :pinch:

I do not see the reasoning behind it. You can also let a cutting grow till it is thick, and then reduce that. How is a branch different. It will have them same problem of not having a lot of taper, unless it is full of branches, which is what you get on a cutting grown plant too if cared for right. :)Using lots of sacrifice branches over a long period of time, and removing them every few years before they produce dominant scars is probably the way to get the least scar affected trunk as all wounds close within a season of removal. But that requires good skills in branch removal and wound cleanup.

That's why I joined the forum..never stop learning from people who have more knowledge And experience than you have. Thank leatherback, nice explanation