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As you can see at the bottom of the page it's just an example tree. I would have loved the tree in the pic as it looks a lot easier to work with but hay I got a nice tree still and it didn't break the bank so I will just be patient with it and learn from it along the way

So, you bought a young pine. That's what's in the description. Calling it a pre-bonsai doesn't make sense - unless when you consider every young tree a pre-bonsai.

I don't believe I did call it pre bonsai I said young starter tree as was advertised on there website

Rob_phillips wrote: [attachment=7402]I don't believe I did call it pre bonsai I said young starter tree as was advertised on there website

Replace 'pre-bonsai' by 'bonsai starter' in my previous comment.
Maybe it is just me who thinks this is just a young white pine - that you could buy at any nursery that sells white pines - without any characteristics that make it more suitable for bonsai then any other young white pine. I won't repeat this though, let's wait and see what others think.

Wow ok thanks I was mearly stating what it said on the Website it purchased it from but forget that as it's quite obviously just a young white pine grown probably in a nursery somewhere and kazsian just brought loads of them to sell as raw material and advertised it as in the image above. but that conversation aside going back to helping me go in the right direction with this tree taking what auk has said into concieration. Has any one got any other advice for it I don't mind if it takes decades to achieve, and I will probably grow it on, and follow auks advice on bud management that would be a good place to start. But what about in the future can any one see any possibilities with this tree

Rob_phillips wrote: But what about in the future can any one see any possibilities with this tree

It's a young and healthy tree, so of course it has possibilities - meaning that you can prepare it to become a bonsai in the future. This is, as said, a very long term project. Again, you are not in a rush. Be patient - or you will end up with bad material or a dead tree.

You'll need to work on the trunk. Another hint for you:


Then you need to work on branch development, placement, ramification, all kinds of stuff that I am not going to repeat in a topic. There's loads of information from people more knowledgeable than me. I've given you two links, from there you'll find clues to Google more.

Cheers again

Auk wrote: Maybe it is just me who thinks this is just a young white pine - that you could buy at any nursery that sells white pines - without any characteristics that make it more suitable for bonsai then any other young white pine.

No... it is a common young pine you could fine at any nursery, here for less than $15. I wouldn't pay more than $10 for something like that. That just looks like an extremely difficult, and long, maybe even generations challenge.

Yep cheap and cheerful. here in and around where i live Worcestershire uk had a look in the nurserys and the pines were all austrian pines or a few Scott's pines and I think I would struggle to find anything particularly good to work on and learn from for a while before spending big money on good quality material as like I said that's my final goal to learn from this tree for a few years or more then when I'm confident in looking after jwp buy some better more expensive material