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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24205

Hello there I've had this japanese white pine now for a few months I purchased it from a bonsai nursery in the UK and to be fair i really like it. when I ordered it online it was advertised as a young starter tree (i thought I would purchase something small and learn how to look after jwp before buying expensive material) also i never saw the trees pic on the website it just said they are all similar shape and single trunked. When it arrived it obviously has a triple trunk.
the jwp is young and has a very thin triple trunk formation that if I'm honest confuses me slightly and has me scratching my head in respect of styling it or preparing it for future styles, so has any one got any advice please on what goals I could have for this trees future style and what end result I may end up with as far as styling goes. I suppose I'm finding a plan for future styling difficult because of the triple trunks and the amount of movement they have aswell. If I was to just let it grow for a few more years and develop would it get even more confusing for me?
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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24206
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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24207

Rob_phillips wrote: Hello there I've had this japanese white pine now for a few months I purchased it from a bonsai nursery in the UK and to be fair i really like it. when I ordered it online it was advertised as a young starter tree


What bonsai nursery would sell this as a bonsai starter tree :blink:
This is just a young pine - and about the worst choice you could have taken. White pines are not easy - and actually because they're not so strong, they are rarely grown like this, but usually grafted onto a much stronger black pine.

Best advice I can give you:
Put it in the ground and just let it grow. Find something better to start with, like a juniper or a deciduous tree (preferably a native one).
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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24208
I have plenty of trees already to be fair so don't worry about that. The tree was from kazien bonsai in great Yarmouth it's Graham potters nursery. my goal was to learn how to look after pines so I brought a cheap (under ?50) tree to learn the basics so when I purchase more expensive jwp material in the future I will know the basics. I understand this tree needs to grow and may not become anything in the end. I was just looking for some guidance on this tree as it's what I have to work with and learn off.
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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24209
However:
If you want to proceed with this white pine, do note that doing it can set you back for years.
You need to develop a trunk first, so you need lots of growth - but you also need to make sure that foliage stays close to the trunk, especially on lower trunks that you 'll need for future design. Plant it in the ground and start researching. Specifically, research how to manage new growth / buds / candles / shoots.
This may get you started, or give you clues how to research further:


Do note that it will take many years to prepare this tree, and decades to turn it into a bonsai.
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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24210

Rob_phillips wrote: kazien bonsai in great Yarmouth it's Graham potters nursery


Well... that's a reputable name so I guess i'm wrong.

You can indeed learn techniques on it - see my previous reply.
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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24211
Ok cheers I am trying to learn as much as I can so any advice is apreciated but this tree will be a good starting point on the spechies and im in no real rush. I just didn't see the point on spending a few hundred quid on material of which i will need to learn a lot to look after.
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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24212
Yeah that's a good link some useful info there cheers.
Has any one read 名媛直播 Today Masters' Series: Pines, Growing & Styling Japanese Black & White Pines a few people online say it's a must have book but it's expensive and i would need to import from the states aswell.
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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24213

Rob_phillips wrote: Ok cheers I am trying to learn as much as I can so any advice is apreciated but this tree will be a good starting point on the spechies and im in no real rush. I just didn't see the point on spending a few hundred quid on material of which i will need to learn a lot to look after.


Well... this one is UKL 34,60 at Kaizen and looks like it would have been a better choice - one reason is that this one at least has some tapering.

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Posted 8 years 5 months ago #24214
That's what I purchased from there website the exact one I purchased. they had a few of these jwp and you can't choose the one you want It says you will receive a tree like this and that they all have single trunks. So I assumed it was the one in that picture or like it but that's not what turned up.
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