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AUK I am not arguing with you any more, I was talking to someone else about it and thanking that person for there help. I dont think its wise for us to converse with one another and am sure others will be able to help me. Thank you any way for your responses to my messages, even if they were insulting.

I would like to thank those who have helped me identify my 2 'plants'. I have read on line that any tree/fern/plant can be a bonsai because it is the technique ie keeping them small and old looking, is this correct? Im completley new at this but am enjoying the process never the less. As I mentioned earlier my trees were fine until I cut back the roots a bit and repotted them, and literally the next day the leaves started to droop, so was wondering if all bonsai do this after this type of maintanance? Maybe I am fiddling too much with them, ie getting over scared they will die and doing too much. Shall I just leave them be and just water them when they need it? I shall take the advice I have been given ie will not submerge in water, no more liquid feeds and stop moving them about. I shall leave them on my window sill where at arounf 2pm (uk time) they get direct sun through the window which lasts for 4 hours roughly. Any advice would be wonderful. Thank you in advance

KimmiVincent wrote: I would like to thank those who have helped me identify my 2 'plants'.

You are most welcome.

I have read on line that any tree/fern/plant can be a bonsai because it is the technique ie keeping them small and old looking, is this correct?

No, that is not correct (but it is often said by people who grow any tree/fern/plant and call them bonsai). We have a topic about this: coconuts, bananas, cactii - and ferns - cannot be bonsai. The definition of bonsai is on this website under "Origin of 名媛直播". It is the art to create a realistic image of a tree in nature - but miniaturized. Note that it has to look like a tree (which doesn't mean you can only use trees, shrubs for example can work too). Ferns however can be used as accent plants - especially the small varieties. Accent plants accompany bonsai and accentuate their beauty.

my trees were fine until I cut back the roots a bit and repotted them, and literally the next day the leaves started to droop, so was wondering if all bonsai do this after this type of maintanance?

No they don't - or shouldn't. It seems that you've cut off too many roots, or you 've damaged them, and/or you

Maybe I am fiddling too much with them

indeed, fiddled too much with them.

Shall I just leave them be and just water them when they need it? I shall take the advice I have been given ie will not submerge in water, no more liquid feeds and stop moving them about.

Yes, that would be good.

I shall leave them on my window sill where at arounf 2pm (uk time) they get direct sun through the window which lasts for 4 hours roughly

That's not enough light - but they are recovering so I'd keep it like that. You may want to try and increase the humidity - not by spraying, that won't work, but by placing a plastic bag around them. I don't keep bonsai indoors myself, so you'd have to researc that. Found a link for you:

I would not like any advice from AUK - you are rude, arrogant and completely UN-helpful. Any one else please feel free to answer my questions

Now you're being childish. I did help by identifying your plants.

Auk, Thank you for actually replying to me with advice and help in a respectful manner . I appreciate that and indeed this will help me grow and learn in this field. Its a shame we had the first altercation as I found this last message really helpful, and just wish you started out like that. Shall we draw a line under the argument and be respectful to one another, as i am sure I could learn a lot from you? I apologise for my signature, it was childish, I agree, and was my way of telling you I was offended I shall change it

KimmiVincent, i would suggest that you sift through this forum, particularly the help me! Subject. There is gobs of information that will help you. Doing too much too fast is very common. Youre excited and want to do things! However, the first piece of advice I ever received was when i bought my first tree, it went something like most people over love their trees if they have only one.

Not saying that is why your trees are unhappy, because as AUK said, most mallsai type trees arent in the best of health when you get them.

Codeman, I feel this is exactly what has happened. I have fiddled too much and have, as you put it 'over-loved' it. Is there any chance of them surviving? Have I found this out too late? They still have some healthy leaves and can see some fresh buds, is that a good sign? Im hoping I have recieved all this advice just in time, and even if mine are not 'real' 名媛直播 I want them to survive never the less so I can atleast use them as practice.

Well, I am no expert but here is what I think. The repotting and root pruning probably had little to do with this. However, i have heard not to fertilize for a few weeks until after your roots heal up. I believe this only applies to chemical fertilizers (miracle gro and the like) because they can burn the roots. Organic fertilizers are less harsh and i have heard you can't really overfeed with them since the plant takes what it needs and that's that. Ive also seen people fertilize directly after a repot with organics to no ill effect. Watering is on a as needed basis. It varies in interval so it should never be done on a schedule like every other day. Water when nearly dry and wait until nearly dry again. Make sure youre not keeping too much moisture in the soil. Constantly wet soil seems far more detrimental than a short period of dry soil. The roots need air from time to time.

As far as whether they can survive, i am not sure. If they were my trees, i would not panic and try everything I could think of. I would leave them be and make sure to water when appropriate. Otherwise not touching them. I know that a sick tree like this is already stressed and it may not be in the best of locations or position but it gets light and ahould survive. So, in my opinion, considering the background, the best course of action is to do nothing. They either will or won't pull out of it.

codeman_11901 wrote: Well, I am no expert but here is what I think. The repotting and root pruning probably had little to do with this.

I disagree with that. If it wasn't the cause, it may certainly have contributed to the problem.

However, i have heard not to fertilize for a few weeks until after your roots heal up.

I think that's a myth.

I believe this only applies to chemical fertilizers (miracle gro and the like) because they can burn the roots

It would harm the hair roots - if you don't follow the instructions. Doesn't seem to make much difference to me whether roots were pruned or not. I think there's no need to fertilize a recently repotted plant though.

Organic fertilizers are less harsh and i have heard you can't really overfeed with them since the plant takes what it needs and that's that.

Second time you write 'what I've heard'. Be careful with that. This only applies when you have the required, well draining soil.

Agreed with the rest of your post

Thank you for all the advice and helpful tips. I shall leave them be apart from watering them only when needed, and hope that they come back to life during the growth period, which I have heard is early spring through summer, is that correct?

first lesson in bonsai is not about styling or cutting..

it's about identifying your tree, getting to know it, and keeping it healthy..

you'll see a lot of new enthousiasts drop out of the hobby because they want too much too fast..

once you establish that knowledge, you'll only win..
you'll be able to identify your trees when they are healthy, and at that moment, when you use the correct pruning techniques, your tree will reward you and will respond in a way that you can improve both the tree and your knowledge..
otherwise you'll lose the tree or in best case, lose several growing years..

last 18 months i did'n touch my trees other than fertilise and water.. and i learned a lot more than if i had continued to "fuck about" on them..

the past few months i was able to look at some trees and completely redefine them without any risk, like cutting them back completely, or doing multiple thread grafts and other manipulations at the same time..
the hawthorn i posted was chopped for 75% a while ago, and recently i completely reworked the root system, cutting off 80% of the roots.. i did so without any doubt, cause i knew the tree could take it..
i just checked and this hawthorn is starting to push buds..

people here will be glad to help you if you accept what they want to say..

ps: ferns and flowers can be kept in small bonsai-like pots, but those are called accent plants.. google it..

good luck

Cronic wrote: first lesson in bonsai is not about styling or cutting..

it's about identifying your tree, getting to know it, and keeping it healthy..

It seems I have made a rookie mistake, and fallen in to them trap that most newbies do. Damn it! I am glad I know this now, and will take things much MUCH slower and just enjoy the process of having a healthy plant at first.

once you establish that knowledge, you'll only win..

I really hope so. If these die I will not give up, I shall purchase a proper 名媛直播 from a bonsai specialist I found near me and start again loaded up with all of this info. But I do hope I have learnt a very valid lesson in time to rescue the ones I have