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I am quite sure auk would say: "i am dutch" its his catchphrase. Come on i am sure he is sorry and only meant it to be a joke and i am for laighing if you were offended. Tell you what, you could try to propogate a plant and then grow it into a bonsai or just make a normal tree because when it grows to a big size you can look at it and say you grew that. They are easier to look after. If this is your last thingy on the forum then i wish you the best of luck. and i hope you stay on this forum and would be sad that you are at such short time. Remember that there are always dicferent people therefore different attitudes in the world if ou are to go on another forum because i did not even take into acount that point and i got incinerated.

bob wrote: I am quite sure auk would say: "i am dutch" its his catchphrase. Come on i am sure he is sorry and only meant it to be a joke and i am for laighing if you were offended. Tell you what, you could try to propogate a plant and then grow it into a bonsai or just make a normal tree because when it grows to a big size you can look at it and say you grew that. Thy are easier to look after. If this is your last thingy on the forum then i wish you the best of luck.

It's cool, I'm just bent out of shape after killing the tree. Already felt like crap and his posts were just rubbing salt in the wound, so I returned fire, so to speak. I'll also admit that I have a real pride issue, so when I'm made to look bad even a little, I can get a bit nasty. This was very minor compared to how I usually react. I tried so hard to keep my anger under control, though. Told myself 'it's just a freakin' forum about plants, chill out'. Considering what I usually do, my anger wrangling worked. But anyway... enough about this negative crap.

Auk wrote: Well... in your posts you have been trying so hard to describe how impossible your environment is for keeping trees, that it seemed to make sense for a moment (I should have looked at the price though).

I have another suggestion - I have one of these myself:



They can tolerate a lot - even low light levels.
Note it is very sensitive to frost, I found out after leaving one outside, not expecting it was going to freeze that night - which killed it. Yes, I have killed my share of trees.

I wonder why no one ever told me of this Jade plant. Already from what I've read it sounds like something I could maybe not kill. Is it both indoor and outdoor? I know most plants started outside (obviously), but I'd be happier if I could keep it inside (which it looks like I can unless I'm wrong), not to mention it would make it easier for me to care for it. Luckily it doesn't get too hot or cold here, so I don't think I'd have to worry about frost much, but come Winter, and maybe even Fall, just to be safe, I would definitely take it in. Wow, even something as simple a little frost can kill a plant. I'd understand being frozen, but frost? Crazy. I have much to learn.

On a side note... do you, or does anyone know what kind of tree Mr. Miyagi was styling in the first Karate Kid film? The research I did said it was a Juniper tree, but I wanted to know the exact one. One day I wish to have one just like it. Some of the research also said it needs at least 4 hours of direct sunlight a day. I have a perfect spot I could put it for four hours. Granted, I'm going to be doing far more research on any plant before obtaining another one if I decide to. Like I said, I think I'll get all the necessary items in advance. Much like preparing for a dangerous trip, you want all the first aid stuff you'll need just in case. I think I'll take on that mindset when dealing with trees. Which means I guess I would need to start researching on all the things that can go wrong with trees and what to look for, huh?

I still wish I knew specifically what killed my tree. I mean, I have a few suspicions, but I feel like it died for nothing. Feel like I didn't learn anything because I don't know why it died and so quickly. Anyway, I'll definitely look into this Jade tree. Thanks for the suggestion.

Gassula is indoors so to sleak and i love karate kid, the new ones alright but yoi cant beat the original. Anyway i thing it was a chinese juniper, they have scale leaves and they are outdoor bonsai. And remember, even with such a calming subject of a forum the humans on it may not be the same. Hope you are stayin on the forum though. Aalso the past is the past your tree dying has taught you a lesson the hard way and at great cost but lets turn a new page.

Go on species guides then click on id my tree then click on grassula. (this is on this very website).

Ah, slight problem. On this site, it says that grassulas need a lot of light.

Crassula (not grassula) is not a tree but a succulent - but it can be shaped into a quite nice bonsai.
Plants do not naturally grow indoors (except a certain cellar fungus, that is not found outside ), but it can be grown inside. They prefer light, but they tolerate lower light levels.
See:

"Indoors, light levels are generally lower than outside. This means that a jade plant will thrive in a more sunny spot in your home than it might require outside--a window with a Southern exposure with nothing blocking the light from entering is ideal. If you do not have such a window, try to find the brightest space you have in your home. A sparse and "leggy" jade plant that has little or no growth is a sign that there is not enough light. If you simply do not have enough daylight (at least six hours of bright light) you might try using artificial plant lights that are available at your local hardware store for supplemental lighting"

I do not care for our indoor plants - my wife does - which means it's often forgotten and not watered.
It propates easily, I just leave the cuttings in the pot and they develop roots and continue to grow.

Photo of the plant, including a lot of young plants from cuttings:

Auk wrote: Crassula (not grassula) is not a tree but a succulent - but it can be shaped into a quite nice bonsai.
Plants do not naturally grow indoors (except a certain cellar fungus, that is not found outside ), but it can be grown inside. They prefer light, but they tolerate lower light levels.
See:

"Indoors, light levels are generally lower than outside. This means that a jade plant will thrive in a more sunny spot in your home than it might require outside--a window with a Southern exposure with nothing blocking the light from entering is ideal. If you do not have such a window, try to find the brightest space you have in your home. A sparse and "leggy" jade plant that has little or no growth is a sign that there is not enough light. If you simply do not have enough daylight (at least six hours of bright light) you might try using artificial plant lights that are available at your local hardware store for supplemental lighting"

I do not care for our indoor plants - my wife does - which means it's often forgotten and not watered.
It propates easily, I just leave the cuttings in the pot and they develop roots and continue to grow.

Photo of the plant, including a lot of young plants from cuttings:

As unbelievable as it sounds, I really don't have any sunny spots in this house. All windows are shaded over by the overhang of the house, and early or late in the day when the sun rises and/or sets, it's blocked by buildings. I bought this artificial light from the bonsaiboy company on Amazon and it seems to have good reviews (it's certainly bright and manages to lift my spirits just a little like those therapy "sun" lights do), so I'm wondering if it'd work for bonsai trees. I suppose I could try it out on a regular plant (one that isn't so expensive) and see if it functions well under the light. Maybe try and grow a flower seed under it. Or would that be irrelevant because bonsai trees function differently than flowers? I know every plant has its specific requirements, but this would only be to test to see if a plant reacts the artificial grow light as if it would with the actual sun. I read that if you grow bonsai from a seed (not that I plan to do this), you can actually trick the seed into thinking seasons have passed indoors by drowning it in water to simulate Fall, storing it in the fridge to simulate Winter, etc. Artificial grow lights simulate the sun, so I can't see why it wouldn't work. Though I know nothing works better than the real deal. But, the poor thing would either have to sit on a table in the backyard exposed to sun literally all day long in the summer (until late evening), or stay indoors under the grow light I bought to where I can regulate the light intake. Maybe I'm a control freak (I kinda am, actually), but I like the latter idea better. Instead of possibly harming my plant with too much sun, I think I'd rather use this grow light if it actually works. Unless of course the plants NEEDS all that sun, then by all means, I'd be more than happy to stick it out there all day long and just bring it indoors at night.

All in all, once I get back on my feet financially and decide to get another little green friend, I'll probably try that Jade plant. Do you think it would be best to keep it under artificial light all year long? Or to move it outside in the real sunlight in the summer? I read that article and it was saying to introduce it slowly to higher levels of light over a course of a couple weeks instead of just slapping it outside in direct sunlight, IF I decide to transition it like that. And what about Winter? Maybe it's a dumb question, but I am a noob, after all. Do I still gotta worry about seasons when I grow plants inside? If so, how does that work? Just give it less hours of light in the Winter?

bob wrote: Gassula is indoors so to sleak and i love karate kid, the new ones alright but yoi cant beat the original. Anyway i thing it was a chinese juniper, they have scale leaves and they are outdoor bonsai. And remember, even with such a calming subject of a forum the humans on it may not be the same. Hope you are stayin on the forum though. Aalso the past is the past your tree dying has taught you a lesson the hard way and at great cost but lets turn a new page.

I won't leave this forum, but it'll probably be awhile before I try again with another tree. At least until I fix my financial issue enough to afford the proper care a plant needs without stress of how much it'll be and whatnot.

When taking care of plants, it always helps to think about the place where these plants naturally occur. Jade plants are from dasart-y kind of places ( I think South Africa) so prefer loads of sun. And indeed: You do not put a plant straight in full sun after coming from the house (Think what would happen if you sit in full sun for 8 hours straight, directly after winter..)

Many of the plants sold as houseplants come from {sub} tropics and need to protected against winter in the north.

Azarath, you said something about the artificial light, the question you asked, well i do not know, alli knkw is that there is some debate among growers about which light is better, the intensity is bettter with grow lamps but the natural light is, well, natural.
But knowing you climate i think it would be best to use it only if your nat light is to bare.