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Tropfrog wrote:

Obviously it can be done. After all they are produced by millions every year. If it was impossible there would be no trees for sale in your local garden centers. Actually, if it was impossible the species would be extinct.

It is not that it is impossible, just that it cannot be done in temperate climate and living room conditions.

The issue is that it is sold as a "beginner indoor tree" just for profit. I just cannot imagine how many potential hobbyists that have been scared away from this wonderful hobby just by getting scammed by the industry and this species. If we want more people to enjoy this hobby we must be clear that this is not a species for beginners in a temperate climate. Sending another message would not really be beneficial to the hobby.

I have been growing plants for 40+ years. I have made a lot of failures during that time. So fukiens is just another one. But I will try again. Just as I do for all my failures.

So, Jelle.....Here is a challenge for you! Get yourself a fukien. If it dies, get another one. Just don't stop trying, continue until you can show a long term healthy fukien. I don't care about development into a show tree. Just make it survive and stay resonable healthy for two full years. Upload the result here and on your youtube channel. I will do the same.

If you make it before me you are welcome to come here and take one tree of your choice from my collection. I don't even bother demanding the same from you. That is how certain I am that you will fail. Not that I lack faith in your skills. Quite the oposite. If anyone besides me can do it, that would be you.

But, please don't tell beginners that it can be done, before you can tell how. That is a total lie and will not be beneficial for the hobby.

Thank you for reminding me why I had pretty much left this forum untill this spring I was asked to return.
Really, absolutely no need for this obnoxious behaviour.

leatherback wrote:

Tropfrog wrote:

Obviously it can be done. After all they are produced by millions every year. If it was impossible there would be no trees for sale in your local garden centers. Actually, if it was impossible the species would be extinct.

It is not that it is impossible, just that it cannot be done in temperate climate and living room conditions.

The issue is that it is sold as a "beginner indoor tree" just for profit. I just cannot imagine how many potential hobbyists that have been scared away from this wonderful hobby just by getting scammed by the industry and this species. If we want more people to enjoy this hobby we must be clear that this is not a species for beginners in a temperate climate. Sending another message would not really be beneficial to the hobby.

I have been growing plants for 40+ years. I have made a lot of failures during that time. So fukiens is just another one. But I will try again. Just as I do for all my failures.

So, Jelle.....Here is a challenge for you! Get yourself a fukien. If it dies, get another one. Just don't stop trying, continue until you can show a long term healthy fukien. I don't care about development into a show tree. Just make it survive and stay resonable healthy for two full years. Upload the result here and on your youtube channel. I will do the same.

If you make it before me you are welcome to come here and take one tree of your choice from my collection. I don't even bother demanding the same from you. That is how certain I am that you will fail. Not that I lack faith in your skills. Quite the oposite. If anyone besides me can do it, that would be you.

But, please don't tell beginners that it can be done, before you can tell how. That is a total lie and will not be beneficial for the hobby.

Thank you for reminding me why I had pretty much left this forum untill this spring I was asked to return.
Really, absolutely no need for this obnoxious behaviour.

Ohh, I am sorry you took it that way. That was not my intention. But "obnoxious behaviour", please! That is quite an insult really. Is that not against the forum rules?

I thought it would be a great collaboration video idea. A fun challenge for both of us. But obviously not . Again sorry and I am truelly happy that you are back on the forum and preferes If you stay. Just without that kind of insults.

Just a small correction. I was cleaning out failed growing projects today. The carmona was one of the subjects for the compost bin. But when I took it from the bench I realized that it was sprouting new growth from everywhere. This is after beeing leaf less since late winter and virtually dead.

So what has changed to trigger this reaction? May and June has been crazy hot and dry, july and August So far mild, humid and rainy.

Given the climate in this species natural environment, I believe that the key for health has more to do with humidity than the other environmental factors. Low temperatures does not seems to be neigther a problem or beneficial. I will continue with this one with the same care. And get another one to try in my highland grow tent. Cold to cool all year round, strong light and high humidity. Exciting project!

Tropfrog wrote:

Given the climate in this species natural environment, I believe that the key for health has more to do with humidity than the other environmental factors.

Great insight. That nobody mentioned that before.
Oh wait..

leatherback wrote:

Key to overwintering fukien tree is to keep them in a room with reasonably high humidity. That conflict with humidity in our houses when we heat. As they are from hot humid tropics, you have the dilemma of either too cold or too dry. WHich weakens them. Add to this the need for plenty of light..

leatherback wrote:

Tropfrog wrote:

Given the climate in this species natural environment, I believe that the key for health has more to do with humidity than the other environmental factors.

Great insight. That nobody mentioned that before.
Oh wait..

leatherback wrote:

Key to overwintering fukien tree is to keep them in a room with reasonably high humidity. That conflict with humidity in our houses when we heat. As they are from hot humid tropics, you have the dilemma of either too cold or too dry. WHich weakens them. Add to this the need for plenty of light..

I feel some hostile mood still. No need for that. I did apoligice for the missunderstanding. If it is not accepted, I just cannot understand why you reply.

My coment was clearly stated about humidity in May until now wich is early August. I did not mention anything at all about humidity in winter as I have clearly failed that part until now. So no, nobody had mentioned that before in this thread. Please share your own experience with this species.