Help with a new Fukien Tea Tree (Repotting, possible disease?)
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #81068
Hi! I'm fairly new to bonsai but I've been interested in it for a while and have done a ton of research. I have a couple questions and photos were attached. I'm in UK if that helps in any way. I got a fukien tree today and have been conflicted about some things. It doesn't appear to be in the best soil. I have everything to repot but I don't know if it's a good time to repot as it's nearing winter? Everything I've read online has been super conflicting but it seems that winter isn't advised to repot in. Would it be okay to repot like, tomorrow? Or will it survive in this soil over winter? I've also noticed some brown spots on some of the leaves, including new and old leaves. Very few black spots here and there too. From what I've read this is a fungal disease, just want to confirm if that's what it is or not. If it is, should I treat it asap or should I wait a while after repotting (if I will) or wait until it settles or something? It's quite a lot of questions but any help is greatly appreciated! I've fallen in love with this tree and just don't want to kill it in the first week:(
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #81073
I am sorry to tell you that there are noone in this forum that knows how to grow Fukiens. We have 100s of "help my fukien is dieing threads" here, but not one has come back with a success story. It seems like this species cannot be grown in temperate countries. At least not in living room conditions and definetely not outdoors.
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #81075
Thank you! That's a shame, prettiest species I've seen personally I'll probably repot it then and do my best to leave it alone for now. Will be a good experiences nonetheless. What about the brown spots though? Is that a fungal disease or something caused by improper care/conditions? Or is it just something I've to figure out? And is there any other species that can be grown successfully in doors? I know that most if not all do best outside but curious if there's any other similar to the Fukien Tea tree. Understandable if not, thanks again!
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #81077
Fugal disease, yes possibly. Caused by improper care, highly likelly. However nobody knows what the proper care is.
Funny you ask for another species that can be grown indoors. It is like you still believe that fukiens can be grown indoors, which they cannot and in a few months you will have first hand experience. If not, please come back to us with your success story and information about how you made it.
All trees wants to grow outdoors in summer. Some species needs to be protected from low temperatures in winter. Since most people do not have anything else than livingroom conditions to provide in winter that is what they provide. But it is by far not the best environment and trees often gets health issues indoors in winter due to lack of light, too warm and too dry. Every bonsai artist with some experience is happy when the trees can move out in spring again.
I would not recomend trees that are not locally hardy for beginners. Overwintering non hardy trees is a totally different challenge. However there are jade plants (Crassula ovata and portulacaria afra). Since they are not trees technically they are not bonsai. However they can be trained as quite realistic miniature trees and can be grown indoors all year round. Moving outdoors in summer will still be beneficial.
Funny you ask for another species that can be grown indoors. It is like you still believe that fukiens can be grown indoors, which they cannot and in a few months you will have first hand experience. If not, please come back to us with your success story and information about how you made it.
All trees wants to grow outdoors in summer. Some species needs to be protected from low temperatures in winter. Since most people do not have anything else than livingroom conditions to provide in winter that is what they provide. But it is by far not the best environment and trees often gets health issues indoors in winter due to lack of light, too warm and too dry. Every bonsai artist with some experience is happy when the trees can move out in spring again.
I would not recomend trees that are not locally hardy for beginners. Overwintering non hardy trees is a totally different challenge. However there are jade plants (Crassula ovata and portulacaria afra). Since they are not trees technically they are not bonsai. However they can be trained as quite realistic miniature trees and can be grown indoors all year round. Moving outdoors in summer will still be beneficial.
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #81079
I really appreciate the honesty and thanks again. I understand that I'll probably one of the thousands that will have a failed tree but I'll guess it'll be an experience
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #81080
Yes there are several different ways to learn. First hand experience is one of them. Just a shame milions of trees is sent to a certain death every year because people fail to read up on species before buying.
TBH: I knew they are impossible to grow when I got my first. But, I had an idea what may be the key. It is dead now and I am looking for the next one. Because I still think I can solve the mystery.
TBH: I knew they are impossible to grow when I got my first. But, I had an idea what may be the key. It is dead now and I am looking for the next one. Because I still think I can solve the mystery.
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #81081
It grows very well on the tropics, but for temperate climate maybe it's only possible on a heated greenhouse.
Best wishes on them.
Best wishes on them.
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #81082
This one didn't even have a name to it, just a 'bonsai' and water daily basically lmao. I struggled for a while in the store trying to find its name and ended up taking it, and finding out after): Good luck with your next one!
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #81096
Key to overwintering fukien tree is to keep them in a room with reasonably high humidity. That conflict with humidity in our houses when we heat. As they are from hot humid tropics, you have the dilemma of either too cold or too dry. WHich weakens them. Add to this the need for plenty of light..
It can however be done as I know someone who keeps them for trade and some fo them have been with him for years.
The soin on yours does not have to be a problem. Seems like normal open organic substrate. Just be wary of overwatering.
Mid-summer is a good time to repot tropicals. It is however a good way to get your tree killed if you do not know what you are doing.
It can however be done as I know someone who keeps them for trade and some fo them have been with him for years.
The soin on yours does not have to be a problem. Seems like normal open organic substrate. Just be wary of overwatering.
Mid-summer is a good time to repot tropicals. It is however a good way to get your tree killed if you do not know what you are doing.
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #81098
Obviously it can be done. After all they are produced by millions every year. If it was impossible there would be no trees for sale in your local garden centers. Actually, if it was impossible the species would be extinct.
It is not that it is impossible, just that it cannot be done in temperate climate and living room conditions.
The issue is that it is sold as a "beginner indoor tree" just for profit. I just cannot imagine how many potential hobbyists that have been scared away from this wonderful hobby just by getting scammed by the industry and this species. If we want more people to enjoy this hobby we must be clear that this is not a species for beginners in a temperate climate. Sending another message would not really be beneficial to the hobby.
I have been growing plants for 40+ years. I have made a lot of failures during that time. So fukiens is just another one. But I will try again. Just as I do for all my failures.
So, Jelle.....Here is a challenge for you! Get yourself a fukien. If it dies, get another one. Just don't stop trying, continue until you can show a long term healthy fukien. I don't care about development into a show tree. Just make it survive and stay resonable healthy for two full years. Upload the result here and on your youtube channel. I will do the same.
If you make it before me you are welcome to come here and take one tree of your choice from my collection. I don't even bother demanding the same from you. That is how certain I am that you will fail. Not that I lack faith in your skills. Quite the oposite. If anyone besides me can do it, that would be you.
But, please don't tell beginners that it can be done, before you can tell how. That is a total lie and will not be beneficial for the hobby.
It is not that it is impossible, just that it cannot be done in temperate climate and living room conditions.
The issue is that it is sold as a "beginner indoor tree" just for profit. I just cannot imagine how many potential hobbyists that have been scared away from this wonderful hobby just by getting scammed by the industry and this species. If we want more people to enjoy this hobby we must be clear that this is not a species for beginners in a temperate climate. Sending another message would not really be beneficial to the hobby.
I have been growing plants for 40+ years. I have made a lot of failures during that time. So fukiens is just another one. But I will try again. Just as I do for all my failures.
So, Jelle.....Here is a challenge for you! Get yourself a fukien. If it dies, get another one. Just don't stop trying, continue until you can show a long term healthy fukien. I don't care about development into a show tree. Just make it survive and stay resonable healthy for two full years. Upload the result here and on your youtube channel. I will do the same.
If you make it before me you are welcome to come here and take one tree of your choice from my collection. I don't even bother demanding the same from you. That is how certain I am that you will fail. Not that I lack faith in your skills. Quite the oposite. If anyone besides me can do it, that would be you.
But, please don't tell beginners that it can be done, before you can tell how. That is a total lie and will not be beneficial for the hobby.
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