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Auk wrote: I have been staring at it since I purchased wondering what to do with it.

Why did you not wonder about this, before deciding to buy it? Did you then in face, still not buy the right material for you? Just because it is a stellar Yamadori.. If you do not see the tree within.. Is it then the right tree for you? Only if you get help to make something out of it

Auk wrote: Of course I do agree with what you write. Life's too short to waste on bad material.

I know. Just ruffling your feathers a bit for sport and to make people think about how to get ahead in the game.

leatherback wrote:

Auk wrote: I have been staring at it since I purchased wondering what to do with it.

Why did you not wonder about this, before deciding to buy it?

Who says I didn't? I'm going to stare and stare and stare at it until I'm sure which way to go. I'm not going to rush it. I pruned of what was not required, carved it and applied j in seal. I've not wired it, but put some thick wires in the soil and used temporary guy wires that I can easily remove. I'll continue to stare at it for a while. Better to do it right, than having to remove wire and start all over.

leatherback wrote:

Auk wrote: Of course I do agree with what you write. Life's too short to waste on bad material.

I know. Just ruffling your feathers a bit for sport and to make people think about how to get ahead in the game.

Best discussion of the year, by far.

leatherback wrote: So.. no time like the current. Make a plan. Go to a workshop with an artist you admire. Ask them for their input and guidance.

Done. Took it to our club. We have one of the well known bonsai masters at our club, practically every monthly meeting. Different one every time, so lots of expertise.
The tree had lots of small shoots close to the trunk that I thought needed to go - but I was a bit reluctant to do that (it's a small tree, little to work with, so careful what to remove). He confirmed though, so it was done.

Send the forum a bunch of pictures.

Posted one already, will post more - but after the ugly guy wires are gone

Let is work on you, and in early spring put your ideas to the tree.

Yep... that's what I'm doing. Staring and staring. Moving a branch a bit, see what it does. Tilt it, look at it from all angles... Next spring I'll probably repot it. Wondering what's under the soil...

Valid points, but I do not consider people that buy a mallsai a beginner in the art.

Most of us have several trees, but just a few bonsai.

And I certainly don't consider myself one, either, especially after this thread. I just want to say thank you again, I would not have purchased this plant myself, and it's been sad to watch it struggle and die despite my best (starting at 0 knowledge) efforts, but listening to you, Auk, and you, leatherback, on what 名媛直播 is and isn't has been more valuable perspective than hours of research, so far, and I so appreciate being able to tap into your brains and experience, just a little bit. And if I do become a beginner at some point, this is most certainly where I'll return to. Mad respect, all around.

Strong backbudding on Juniper? I guess we have different opinion on what strong backbudding is, I suppose.

Well, it is not salix or azalea. But young cuttings like this one, if survived the first year, are backbudding quite good here and that gives a lot of options for design. However, they will not backbud very good on very old wood. Maybe your experience is with old junipers, different forms or different climate? I dont necessary think it is a difference in opinion, more likelly a different in experience.

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Magnus

Tropfrog wrote: Well, it is not salix or azalea. But young cuttings like this one, if survived the first year, are backbudding quite good here and that gives a lot of options for design.

Seems LB is right and you don't really know what backbudding is.

"It is a response to pruning and pinching that activates dormant buds back away from the active growing areas of a plant, deeper inside the tree structure along the inside branches, crotches and in some cases the main branches and trunk of the plant.

Do not confuse back-budding growth further back within in the plant with the growth from light pruning or pinching which makes a plant bushy by activating buds close to the active ends of the branch."

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Hey Emma,

Seems like you are open to learn. Great!
I decided to take another look at the images. Take a look at these two, and especially at the trunk. You see how the first pictrue shows a tree with a near-glossy trunk? The second picture shows a tree with a trunk with little vertical grooves in the bark. This is a sure sign for such young stems that the tree is having trouble: Your tree already died inside; At this point the trunk has started drying out already...

If you do come back with another tree, be carefull who you take advice from.

Auk wrote:

Tropfrog wrote: Well, it is not salix or azalea. But young cuttings like this one, if survived the first year, are backbudding quite good here and that gives a lot of options for design.

Seems LB is right and you don't really know what backbudding is.

"It is a response to pruning and pinching that activates dormant buds back away from the active growing areas of a plant, deeper inside the tree structure along the inside branches, crotches and in some cases the main branches and trunk of the plant.

Do not confuse back-budding growth further back within in the plant with the growth from light pruning or pinching which makes a plant bushy by activating buds close to the active ends of the branch."

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Well, here it is called backbudding if it is budding from old Wood away from the growing tips. I hav seen good backbudding on Wood around 5 years old. My oldest juniper at 20 years from cuttings do not backbud at all on the stem, but from time to time on the bransches developed 10 years ago. So I would say that there are a few years left to develop the style on a young tree.

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Magnus

Tropfrog wrote: So I would say that there are a few years left to develop the style on a young tree.

I don't see how you think it's just not a clever thing to do. On young trees, you need lower branches that are already there.
Waiting for adventitious buds to develop at the right place - if ever - is not going to take just a few years.

Putting your time in that is a waste of time. You can get better material. Even a normal juniper, of which the lower branches have not been cut off to make it resemble a bonsai, is a much better choice - and it will cost far less.

I've never seen any backbudding on any of my junipers, young and old ones, communis, squamata and chinese. I have one juniper that does do backbudding, a Virginiana.