名媛直播

Hi- I was hoping to create a page for sharing trees-

sel64@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi- I was hoping to create a page for sharing trees-

I am a very inexperienced bonsai enthusiast, and I don't have any trees worth showing yet. They are all in training and hopefully in a few years I'll have something. But I c an show some of what I am working on.

below, a nursery grown Forsythia. Forsythia is a yellow early spring flowering shrub. This tree went through structural pruning when I bought it (cut and grow method), and after flowering, it was re-potted. It is now let to grow secondary branches which will be cut to 2 or 3 nodes before growing the final secondary branches. Sacrifice branches are encouraged near the base, to improve trunk thickness.

after pruning/re-poting.



tree today




Below a Nursery grown procumbens. This tree was a massive mess, the reason I got it is because it was extremely cheap for its age ($20). I've been only thinning the tree to let air and light to its interior as it had a lot of death underneath the mass foliage. There are still some areas that need thinning, but I am going slow (it is a lot of work). The tree will be left alone, no wiring, no pruning, until it starts growing healthy. Once it gets healthy and vigorous, I will also be more experienced, and that's when I'll take the styling challenge. For now, I have to keep it alive... The picture is kind of bad, it is a much bigger tree.




Below a small Procumbens nana, I got this tree, again because it was cheap. I don't have any high expectations, and just wanted to practice thinning and wiring. Below, the picture before thinning. You can see a wire on "the apex", the reason, because I wanted to bend it slowly, so I did it by stages, every week I will move it a little more up.






After thinning, and bending the apex for a few weeks, the tree was growing healthy, so why not wire the whole thing and get some practice? Again, very bad picture, but it gives an idea.

Jesus F. Christ look at those wires! :lol:
So I am not the only one who wired first and then learned how to do it.
Here is a picture of the first tree I wired:

:lol:
Guilty here, too. Live & learn!

Kri?tof wrote: Jesus F. Christ look at those wires! :lol:
So I am not the only one who wired first and then learned how to do it.
Here is a picture of the first tree I wired:

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I know it looks very bad. But yeah, wiring is harder than what it seems haha. It looks much worst on the picture; there are no wires crossing each other, and I did it in a rush. And wires that you see kind of pulling on the air, is because this wire is actually aluminum and it is pretty soft. On your tree I see a lot of wires crossing, I didn't do that. So actually it is not as bad as it looks, and it works. Wiring is a lot about the quality of the wire, skill of the bonsai enthusiast, and following certain rules. I've read about it, I know that you are suppose to try to wire 2 branches of same thickness, start with the thickest branches, etc etc... But I don't have the time, or skill. Someday I will be skillful and be able to do it faster, and I would have better wire, so I will be able to use less.

Honestly there is something about bonsai culture I still don't get. If you pick up a musical instrument today for the first time, say a cello. take one lesson, and then go and play some music. And I look at your bow technique, all over the place, I won't be making fun of it. Nobody would, because we all understand it is a skill and we all learned it. I don't get why in bonsai culture there's this whole arrogance going on.

oh lad, I am so sorry you took an offence in my comment...
I didn?t mean to be rude, I consider people here friends and I like to have a laugh with my friends, as well as all along the way while I am learning bonsai stuff

As you see, my wiring was way worse than yours - thats why I posted it - I don?t mind to take the piss out of myself and I am doing it all the time.

I think the problem with this arrongance going on in here for last few weeks starts with this very attitude, when people take themselves too seriously, are too touchy about their juniper-for-10euro-with tons of wire-work-of art and their feelings are hurt.

Come on everybody, we are here to learn, have a chat, a laugh, and not to study every quote from somebody if it wasn?t meant in a bad way.

Mine never are anyways, cause I love you all

But on the other note - you really shouldn?t go and play cello live in front of an audience after just one lesson - if you don?t want to get yourself killed :woohoo:

Kri?tof wrote: touchy about their juniper-for-10euro-with tons of wire-work-of art and their feelings are hurt.

I never said this was a work of art. I am showing my practice/learning material. In fact, I stated none of my bonsai were ready for styling, less for display. The only reason I wired was to get some practice, and to separate the branches, not to style. I am transforming a cheap shrub into bonsai, and this should take me a few years. First I need to thin the tree, separate branches, bring some closer to the trunk, so that inner branches get more light and air. As the tree grows this year and the following I will get a better idea of what style the tree would take. Structural pruning will follow once the tree is healthy and vigorous, with real wiring. I will have experience by then, and won't make a bad job!

Kri?tof wrote: But on the other note - you really shouldn?t go and play cello live in front of an audience after just one lesson - if you don?t want to get yourself killed :woohoo:

If I have learned anything so far, is that 名媛直播 is about patience. Again, I am not showing art, but work. I find pleasure in seeing my trees grow and take shape little by little, more than having a beautiful tree. It is the path what I like of bonsai. I have some bonsai that even though not world class, could be worth of display, those I am not posting here, because I think there is more value on the cheap, challenging material. I want other common people to see my work, specially beginners like me, so they can tell themselves "well, I am not doing bad after all" I am trying to break the ice so people show more the reality of 名媛直播.

名媛直播 is not, vigorous shrub, 1 hr work, beautiful bonsai. People put years of work to create pre-bonsai, and that's where the challenge is. People not always do this, and beginners like me are deceived, buy a shrub, and destroy it. 名媛直播 masters are not born my friend. I have been playing cello for more than 20 years, and part of the learning was to play in a crowd, even when I was a total novice. It helps with nerves, and it is great evaluation for self-criticism, as well as creating confidence between you and peers. Today, I am still trying to improve my bow technique, it is a never endless challenge.

Two weeks ago I went to a chamber music orchestra. There were people of all levels there. Some older people have been only playing for about 5 years, and are making a really big effort. They all had to prepare a piece and play to an audience at the end of the workshop. Nobody laughed, or made fun of them. For you evaluate them for their level, not yours, it is relative. Making fun of them would be rude, no matter where in the world you are. They are all learning and practicing, not selling their musical talents. I am not selling my trees.

eangola wrote: It is the path what I like of bonsai. I have some bonsai that even though not world class, could be worth of display, those I am not posting here, because I think there is more value on the cheap, challenging material. I want other common people to see my work, specially beginners like me, so they can tell themselves "well, I am not doing bad after all" I am trying to break the ice so people show more the reality of 名媛直播.

I wuld be keen to see the more advanced material you have. Why not show it too? As for, the reality of bonsai.. The reality is, bonsai is not dne oevrnight, and typically starts with plants that already have some component of interest, be it age, twisted trunk or gnarly branches. Very young cheap nursery stock does not really make good bonsai, unless you are investing decades in it.

As for the rest of the discussion.. Please..

leatherback wrote: Very young cheap nursery stock does not really make good bonsai, unless you are investing decades in it.
As for the rest of the discussion.. Please..

I agree with you leatherback. A million times I've said, this is a practice tree. For me to learn, and I stated "I don't have high expectations". I know cheap plants don't make a good bonsai (to experienced bonsai enthusiasts). But cheap plants make the best for beginners like me to practice. I don't care what country people are raised. I've lived in south america, europe, and north america now. Laughing, making fun of people work is immature and rude. I don't care if someone says "you used too much wire", "try to do this or that next time you wire". rather than HOLY F. CHRIST LOOK AT THOSE WIRES. I barely know you, you're not my friend, treat me with respect, and I'll treat you the same.

I learned in this forum, don't share, unless your tree is a masterpiece or you need help. I am sorry for sharing this procumbens nana....