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Posted 7 years 8 months ago #32500
Hello. First, yes there is a finnish bonsai community but when i tried to register, it didn't work so i came here. Greetings to all!

So i live in Finland and few years ago i found this small spruce (i think it might be a spruce, or pine? You tell me) from the middle of the trail. I took it with me and planted it in a pretty large plastic pot. Now it has been alive in that same pot i think 4 years. Every summer it has gone wild and brought up a new sprigs. The only thing i have done is that i have been trimming it carefully every year.
Recently i have been doing bonsai sculptures from the wire and started to pay interrest again to this spruce. It's alive, it's wild, it's always outside and it withstands the harsh finnish winter in plastic pot. Now it's time to do something to make it look more like actual bonsai. What should i do?
1. Can i cut it, and what branches should i cut?
2. How should i wire it? (I have made some small wiring week ago as you can see)
3. If i take it out from the pot, what do i do to it's roots? How should i aproach it's roots and cut them without killing it?
4. When should i do all these things? At the same day or should i do one thing every summer? I mean like cutting this summer, wiring next summer and new pot year after?
5. What's the best way to deal with the lump of roots? Should i try to rinse it with water or work with small tool?

Sorry for my english. I hope you understand what i say. Pics attached. One is made out of wires, try to guess which one lol :D Wire bonsai isn't quite ready yet as you can see.
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Posted 7 years 8 months ago #32502

jvainio wrote: Hello. First, yes there is a finnish bonsai community but when i tried to register, it didn't work so i came here. Greetings to all!


Hi there and welcome.

Every summer it has gone wild and brought up a new sprigs. The only thing i have done is that i have been trimming it carefully every year.


If you want to grow bonsai, that is not what you should do - at least, not this way. You need growth, as you need to grow a decent trunk first.
Study the techniques: www.bonsaiempire.com/blog/bonsai-trunk-creation

Recently i have been doing bonsai sculptures from the wire


It looks kinda nice and I think it is a good practice. The top looks good, I think you should improve the branch placement and ramification of the lower branches.
Looking at the photo, it seems you inserted wire halfway for the branches.
If that? correct: it would be better to use only one bunch of wires. When you go up, you take a few apart to form a branch, When you proceed, you will have less wires left for the next part. You take a few again to form the next branch. This way, the higher up you get, the thinner the trunk will get, and the thinner the branches will get. With the branches you do the same thing - take a few wires to create side-branches, split them up too etc...
With real trees, this actually works more or less the same way. See this article on..... Wired (lol... the coincidence) :
"A tree almost always grows so that the total thickness of the branches at a particular height is equal to the thickness of the trunk."

4. When should i do all these things? At the same day or should i do one thing every summer? I mean like cutting this summer, wiring next summer and new pot year after?


At the same day: only if you want to kill it. In general, you should only do one of these actions, that are stressful for the tree, per year.

Sorry, I'm not going to answer all other questions. There are excellent guides for each tree that you can Google for (and I'm not too familiar with Spruce).
Start studying. don 't rush it. The tree needs to grow first and you have lots of time.

And your English is just fine. I can understand it perfectly.
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Posted 7 years 8 months ago #32561
Thank you for your reply. I may have thought this the hard way. I'm not total newbie for growing bonsai (not saying that i know what i'm doing and i'm a pro) and I have been reading material about growing bonsai, watched many vids from youtube and followed many discussions in various forums. Perhaps the right question (instead all of those which i asked earlier) is:
1. What should i do first?
Deal with it's roots and put it i a new pot? Cut it's trunk? Put some wire in it? Something else?

As i have told, it is a strong tree which seems to like it's new life in plastic pot about 4 years now. I don't have any clue how old my tree is. My guess is that it's something between 10-20 years.
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Posted 7 years 8 months ago #32610

jvainio wrote: Thank you for your reply. I may have thought this the hard way. I'm not total newbie for growing bonsai (not saying that i know what i'm doing and i'm a pro) and I have been reading material about growing bonsai, watched many vids from youtube and followed many discussions in various forums. Perhaps the right question (instead all of those which i asked earlier) is:
1. What should i do first?
Deal with it's roots and put it i a new pot? Cut it's trunk? Put some wire in it? Something else?

As i have told, it is a strong tree which seems to like it's new life in plastic pot about 4 years now. I don't have any clue how old my tree is. My guess is that it's something between 10-20 years.


I think Auk was pretty clear and gave you a very nice response. There is absolutely no way your tree is 20 years old, or even 10. If it is, then it hasn't been taken care of properly. I would say it looks about 2-5 years old (5 is pushing it). So you say you've had this tree for longer, that means you haven't been taking care of it properly if you want it to grow thicker. Auk was very clear, you need a trunk. You need to plant it in the ground and wait at least 10 years, or on a big container. Sorry but there is nothing you can do with this tree to make a bonsai now. Read a little more, and look for better starting material.

Also, what's up with the gigantic rocks on the top soil?
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Posted 7 years 8 months ago #32611

jvainio wrote: 1. What should i do first?


Learn to be patient.

You don't HAVE to repot, prune, wire, work with the roots. Do the right things at the right time if you want this to live. Look up care guidelines for spruce to learn what to do at what time.
Also, get it out of that pot and into a proper one (or in full ground) and remove the stones. They serve no purpose, trap moisture, prevent you from properly seeing the soil.

And what Eangola said.
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