名媛直播

leatherback wrote:

eangola wrote: I have to disagree. 名媛直播 means tree in a pot... so technically.. that's what it is.

I do not understand why people do not seem to understand this.

ah... because you're not being very open minded. You have been studying and working with 名媛直播 for years, so you understand more than 90% of people on this forum the art of 名媛直播, and appreciate it. It is an insult to your work when somebody says 名媛直播 is simply a tree in a pot, but that is simply because you have received plenty training, and have put a lot of effort in the art; this is not rocket science, indeed.

Somewhere like Kyoto where 名媛直播 culture exists if you say "bonsai is stick in a pot" you will probably be seen as ignorant. In a western culture, such as the U.S. You can find "mallsai" being sold literally everywhere. It creates a culture where the literal translation becomes reality. So relatively speaking, in the U.S., sadly, a 名媛直播 is a tree in a pot... This is the reason why more business get away selling mallsai without specifying they are insulting and underestimating a real art. People have been exposed to mallsai labelled as bonsai more than real bonsai. It is then not very hard to understand why people believe a 名媛直播 is simply a "tree in a pot". So are they stupid? no... they just haven't been exposed to the real thing. Is 名媛直播 a tree in a pot? not in Kyoto, not to you, but it is in places such as the U.S. should it be? well that's another question... and no, it shouldn't, because 名媛直播 should mean much more than tree in a pot.

That being said, explains why people keep saying that. I shouldn't have said bonsai is a tree in a pot.

I wouldn't waste my time with this plant. But I wouldn't throw it away either. Maybe transplant to a bigger pot, and keep it as a house plant. You could let it grow for years, and then in a future maybe it could be trained into bonsai through air layering, or burying the "belly like" roots. If you live in tropical climate, you can plant in the garden.

eangola wrote:

leatherback wrote:

eangola wrote: I have to disagree. 名媛直播 means tree in a pot... so technically.. that's what it is.

I do not understand why people do not seem to understand this.

ah... because you're not being very open minded

I notice you seem to be a bit... stubborn, still I'm going to try to explain.
It has got nothing to do with being open minded. If I look at an elephant and say it is not a shark, that's not because I'm not open minded, but because elephants are not sharks. They're not even fish.

This plant should not be called a mallsai either. Mallsai are low quality, mass-produced trees, trained in usually a typical S-shape, but with little artistic value. These ficus is a houseplant that has had no bonsai training at all. The only reason they are called bonsai by the vendors is because it sells.

I think this is something you need to learn. Just start with reading the definition of bonsai on this very website, under 'What is bonsai'.

Another thing you need to learn is to look better. This plant was purchased, probably some time ago already, and it didn't stay very healthy. The previous owner has NOT tried to make a real bonsai out of it, there are no signs that this plant was altered after it was purchased. That cut was already there, that's how they come.

Having said that - it's a free plant, it is alive, and there's a chance to bring it back to health and get a nice houseplant out of it. It is not impossible to make a bonsai out of it, but this is harder than trying to create a bonsai from regular bonsai material. One reason is that it is hard to correct the disproportionate roots and the cut off top.

Auk wrote:

eangola wrote:

leatherback wrote:

eangola wrote: I have to disagree. 名媛直播 means tree in a pot... so technically.. that's what it is.

I do not understand why people do not seem to understand this.

ah... because you're not being very open minded

I notice you seem to be a bit... stubborn, still I'm going to try to explain.
It has got nothing to do with being open minded. If I look at an elephant and say it is not a shark, that's not because I'm not open minded, but because elephants are not sharks. They're not even fish.

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Your example has no correlation with what I said. I explained to Leatherback why people didn't seem to understand why 名媛直播 is not a stick in a pot. Things are not black and white, want it or not, things tend to be more complicated. I don't think you understood my argument, so I'll just simplify it, as you seem to like black and white arguments. People do not understand why 名媛直播 is "not a tree in a pot" because they have been exposed to the word differently in their culture. Words have completely different meanings in different cultures.

Some people call "plantain" banana. An indeed in some southamerican countries in the world the do not differentiate from the word banana and plantain. To me, plantain and banana are completely different words, as they represent different fruits. But in some cultures, banana is a plantain.

I will also clarify things "black and white" way, so that my arguments are not misinterpreted as "stubbornness".

1) I was wrong to call 名媛直播 tree in a pot, as this is not what we refer to 名媛直播 in this forum. The definition of 名媛直播 on bonsaiempire.com is much more than that, so on this environment, it is wrong to refer to 名媛直播 as tree in a pot. I believe this is the second time in this post I have said this....
2) You clearly have more experience than me with this plant, as I have never owned a Ficus in my life. So if you say this is not mallsai, I won't argue this. I take it as new knowledge.

Hopefully I have explained myself better. I think we are just running through some cultural differences here .Have a nice day.

eangola wrote: I explained to Leatherback why people didn't seem to understand why 名媛直播 is not a stick in a pot. Things are not black and white, want it or not

I see. I was under the impression that you think that any 'tree' in a pot is a bonsai, but apparently you're trying to explain other people think that.
Got it, and yes, that's true, unfortunately.

eangola wrote: ah... because you're not being very open minded.

Do not think I deserve this.

eangola wrote: So relatively speaking, in the U.S., sadly, a 名媛直播 is a tree in a pot... This is the reason why more business get away selling mallsai without specifying they are insulting and underestimating a real art. People have been exposed to mallsai labelled as bonsai more than real bonsai. It is then not very hard to understand why people believe a 名媛直播 is simply a "tree in a pot". So are they stupid? no... they just haven't been exposed to the real thing.

Yet, you have been exposed to bonsai, but continue fostering this misunderstanding by stating "technically, this is a bonsai because it is a tree in a pot", instead of informing the people who seem to have an interest (As they come to this forum) that bonsai requires more than just a woody plant in a pot. That I really do not understand. And that has nothing to do with open-mindedness. I think I can safely claim to be openminded and accepting of local differences, considering the work I do, and the countries I do it in, thank you very much.

leatherback wrote:

eangola wrote: ah... because you're not being very open minded.

Do not think I deserve this.

eangola wrote: So relatively speaking, in the U.S., sadly, a 名媛直播 is a tree in a pot... This is the reason why more business get away selling mallsai without specifying they are insulting and underestimating a real art. People have been exposed to mallsai labelled as bonsai more than real bonsai. It is then not very hard to understand why people believe a 名媛直播 is simply a "tree in a pot". So are they stupid? no... they just haven't been exposed to the real thing.

Yet, you have been exposed to bonsai, but continue fostering this misunderstanding by stating "technically, this is a bonsai because it is a tree in a pot", instead of informing the people who seem to have an interest (As they come to this forum) that bonsai requires more than just a woody plant in a pot. That I really do not understand. And that has nothing to do with open-mindedness. I think I can safely claim to be openminded and accepting of local differences, considering the work I do, and the countries I do it in, thank you very much.

I am sorry if the statement came up too bold. I believe this is the first and only time I have said 名媛直播 is a tree in a pot, I was trying to be nice but it came up wrong. I didn't mean you are not an open-minded person, I need to apologize for that. I cannot say that as I don't know you, so I am sorry if you got that impression. I was just trying to explain, because everything has an explanation. And I wasn't explaining myself, but other people's understanding of 名媛直播. My point is that sometimes we have to think a little beyond of what we are exposed to, in order to find the reason of things.

In a way, me stating that, is being close minded as well. Because I should have thought more on the meaning of the word, specially because as you say, I have been exposed to it. Live and learn. There is definitely much more to 名媛直播 than stick in a pot. Yet I said it, so there must be an explanation for it.

stating, and re-stating "I do not seem to understand why people keep doing this" gives me the impression you don't want to understand, or the explanation doesn't satisfy your needs. I don't think there's really that much to explain, but everyone say wrong things, everyone make mistakes, and yes some people hit the same wall over.. and over.. again. I've done it myself, it is human nature.

With that said there is an explanation for why I said that, why some people say it, and why some people keep repeating. If you still don't seem to understand it, then, you are not being open to find an explanation for it, even if my explanation doesn't satisfy you.

It is that phrase "I do not seem to understand why people don't understand X" that made me write all this. It is a presumptuous phrase. And it suggests it is so second nature to you to understand X, but other people can't, and they do not posses such ability. I've heard it a lot in my field of work as "I do not seem to understand why people don't understand math" , or "I do not seem to understand why people don't understand programming". And it drives me crazy. I believe people saying "名媛直播 is a tree in a pot" drives you crazy as well.

eangola wrote:
Somewhere like Kyoto where 名媛直播 culture exists if you say "bonsai is stick in a pot" you will probably be seen as ignorant. In a western culture, such as the U.S. You can find "mallsai" being sold literally everywhere. It creates a culture where the literal translation becomes reality. So relatively speaking, in the U.S., sadly, a 名媛直播 is a tree in a pot... This is the reason why more business get away selling mallsai without specifying they are insulting and underestimating a real art. People have been exposed to mallsai labelled as bonsai more than real bonsai. It is then not very hard to understand why people believe a 名媛直播 is simply a "tree in a pot". So are they stupid? no... they just haven't been exposed to the real thing. Is 名媛直播 a tree in a pot? not in Kyoto, not to you, but it is in places such as the U.S. should it be? well that's another question... and no, it shouldn't, because 名媛直播 should mean much more than tree in a pot.

That being said, explains why people keep saying that. I shouldn't have said bonsai is a tree in a pot.

I wouldn't waste my time with this plant. But I wouldn't throw it away either. Maybe transplant to a bigger pot, and keep it as a house plant. You could let it grow for years, and then in a future maybe it could be trained into bonsai through air layering, or burying the "belly like" roots. If you live in tropical climate, you can plant in the garden.

I think this was an excellent explanation Eangola. It was precise and fitting. 名媛直播 is not the only word in the English language that has multiple connotations. The word ART has very similar meaning differences. When I was a little younger I would get upset at the word "art" being used for so many things that were, in my opinion, not art. This mentality came from a decade of everyday focus in the institutional art world. I understood that when people used the word, they intended a different thing than I meant. But it can be frustrating to have a word thrown around when you have devoted your life to that peak ultimate expression of a concept.
I digress, Those less knowledgeable in the concept of bonsai may never reach the plateau that some consider to be the basic starting platform of the concept. But, they could potentially still receive joy and satisfaction from their own less informed interpretation.


Mallsai, or "tree in a pot". either way, the word bonsai goes through their mind. they search the word. they end up somewhere like this. they learn, they grow, they improve. it is possible in this crazy world that the worlds next "bonsai Master" may receive their first tree as a gift of mallsai. But that generic term "bonsai" started a spark that grew into a passion of learning and practice. Then someday they can sit back and tell beginners what bonsai is. and what is not. If bonsai as just a tree in a pot, it would not be known today. it has lasted through time because of the sheer beauty and awe that is possible through the Art form. This is why it survives. not because of mallsai but because of the reality of the inevitable possibilities.

sure. Whatever.
I found a nice bonsai online

. Enjoy.

baby wisteria?

parker wrote: baby wisteria?

Looks like it, a better photo of the foliage. The style, I'd say is: formal upright. Or broom?