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Hello I visited a mate today and he gave me this






Apologies it's late and I had to bring it inside a minute to take a photo


I used the species guide and narrowed it down to either a juniper or cypress. But I am not experienced enough yet to be certain. Any ideas? I'm not sure if it's bonsai material it has so many trunks but could be wrong, I shall wait and see

I may decide to plant it in the ground where it will receive around 6 hours of sun from early morning.

Random question but has anybody ever done a long term test (say over a 5 year period) on 2 pretty much identical trees. One in the ground and one in a large pot, with photographs? I definitely appreciate the roots are not restricted in the ground but I'd love to see the differences

I wish I had taken pictures, but I've seen a very good progression of potted vs planted trees from equally layered elms. If I can find I'll post.

Arthur Joura, the bonsai curator at the North Carolina Arboretum, did several air layers of an American elm one year. Most he put in pots, one in the ground. After several several years (5?) he brought them to our club to show, with base of the potted elms remaining in the 1/2" range (~10-12 mm). The planted was almost 3" (~ 38mm). During the demo, he then made a forest using the trees - it was beautiful. He brought in again just this March, and it's awesome! I'll see what I can find from the other club members.

As a side note: a large benefit of using sister air layers is the genetic material is identical; so leaf size, fall color, and timing of growth patterns are the same.

And your tree might also be a thuja species (white cedar/arborvitae).

terrible test... There are many many variables that would affect growth, starting from genes.

eangola wrote: terrible test... There are many many variables that would affect growth, starting from genes.

Terrible test? Stick one tree in a pot & one tree in the ground, and see which one grows bigger. As stated above, genetically identical trees were tested in this manner. Accelerated growth when placed in the ground.

One of the many ways to dwarf a tree is to put it in a pot. There is limited space to grow. You will be repeatedly advised to plant in the ground should you wish for a larger tree.

brkirkland22 wrote:

eangola wrote: terrible test... There are many many variables that would affect growth, starting from genes.

Terrible test? Stick one tree in a pot & one tree in the ground, and see which one grows bigger. As stated above, genetically identical trees were tested in this manner. Accelerated growth when placed in the ground.

One of the many ways to dwarf a tree is to put it in a pot. There is limited space to grow. You will be repeatedly advised to plant in the ground should you wish for a larger tree.

even if they have "identical genes" there are way too many other variables that will affect growth. Will the trees have exactly the same initial shape and foliage to start with? will the soil have exactly the same bacteria? impossible... I guess it will give you an idea, but it wouldn't be a proper scientific test... and you'll have to do it with a lot of trees to get some statistics out of it. I am not an expert at bonsai at all, but I make a life out of scientific research, and I believe your test has waaaay too many variable to make any conclusion out of it. it'll be more like a "toy" experiment.

Then get to it, and show us how it's done.

You're learning how to grow bonsai? You'll need to learn that 'exact' doesn't happen much in this hobby. The production of bonsai is at best educated guesswork based on experience. Tried & true methods change, sometimes slowly, sometimes rapidly. Check in with the Japanese masters; I bet they have 1500 years of statistics for you, and have produced at least some information on how to grow them. 名媛直播 trees that are hundreds of years old have survived this long because someone tried, got lucky, took good notes, and repeated the process. Shoulders of giants, my friend!

If you're upset over someone's use of the word 'test' outside of a laboratory context, just remember that you're not in the lab - you're on a forum about trees. You may very well enjoy bonsai. It's a test-y hobby sometimes, filled with trials & errors, failures & successes. Learn what you can this year & try again the following season. Let your learning grow. Repeat. Adjust parameters. Try again. Repeat.

Then teach us what you've learned. That's what this forum is about.

eangola wrote: even if they have "identical genes" there are way too many other variables that will affect growth.

Errm.... that's what we are testing, isn't it? If the variables were identical, there would be no difference, so this test does indicate that these variables (soil, water, nutrients, bacteria) do have an effect.

Note I write 'indicate', not 'prove', as I agree that this one test is no proof. Actually I should write 'confirm', as this is not something new that is being researched.