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Posted 8 years 8 months ago #20731
Hello, my name is Ray I live in England and I have kept a few indoor bonsai before a few years ago and now I have my own place and have a nice garden now I have started to get a few bonsai and after looking at videos have seen people bonsai big trees. My questions firstly are an identification on this tree and also if the roots look OK? As I have seen this for sale near me.

My next question is I have also seen an advert for a 7ft black walnut tree (juglans nigra) and I'm wondering if anyone here has successfully cut one down to bonsai it?

My final question is, with me wanting to cut both down eventually (the unidentified one sooner rather than later) I was wondering if there is a specific time of year to do this also.

Forgive me if this has already been covered.

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Posted 8 years 8 months ago #20734

RayC wrote: Hello, my name is Ray I live in England and I have kept a few indoor bonsai before a few years ago and now I have my own place and have a nice garden now I have started to get a few bonsai


Good idea. IMHO growing bonsai outdoors is so much better than trying to grow them indoors.

looking at videos have seen people bonsai big trees.


You've done your research. Indeed bonsai is rather a technique of reducing large trees, than trying to grow a small tree big, or growing a tree from seed.

My questions firstly are an identification on this tree


Looks like a cherry (prunus) to me.

and also if the roots look OK?


For bonsai - no. Roots seem too coarse and I see very little fine roots, and hardly any feeder roots. I think this tree would have a hard time, even when you plant it in full soil. Also, if it has been out of the ground like this for an extended time, it is not very likely it will survive.

My next question is I have also seen an advert for a 7ft black walnut tree (juglans nigra) and I'm wondering if anyone here has successfully cut one down to bonsai it?


Not me, but I do see examples when Googling for images. Doesn't seem the best species for bonsai.

My final question is, with me wanting to cut both down eventually (the unidentified one sooner rather than later) I was wondering if there is a specific time of year to do this also.


Yes, and I'm afraid that specific time frame has closed already...
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Posted 8 years 8 months ago #20738
Walnut is not the ebst of species for bonsai as it is very coarse (Twigs and leaves). It can be done, but you need to know what you are doing. I would start with an elm or carpinus or something like that.

The Cherrie you show COULD be trained into bonsai but would require:
- Regrowing some roots
- Working on the graft
- Get branches
- Get taper

All in all.. You havea trick trunk, without much going for it. I am sure you can find better materials.

The best time for chopping down trees varies, depending on location, species and personal preference. Had your cherrie been in the full ground, I would not have hesitated to cut it down. It would take another 6-8 weeks to leaf out again, but still in plenty of time for winter. However, as it has been uprooted, I would first allow it to establish, en cut next year.
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Posted 8 years 8 months ago #20740

Auk wrote:

My final question is, with me wanting to cut both down eventually (the unidentified one sooner rather than later) I was wondering if there is a specific time of year to do this also.


Yes, and I'm afraid that specific time frame has closed already...


Ignore that. Just noticed you were talking about cutting down, not digging up...
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Posted 8 years 8 months ago #20743
Species-wise - Might be a crab apple mallus spp. like purple prince or perfect purple. I've got one on my property, reddish leaves & pink flowers.

Training-wise - what others have said.
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Posted 8 years 8 months ago #20787
Thank you all for your wonderful advice. The "unidentified" tree did indeed have no fine roots so I decided to pass on that one. However the walnut from someone else had a nice thick trunk (30-35mm) and nice nebari. I thought I had taken a pic but I can't find it :blush: . I don't have the room in my garden to plant in into the ground but I have planted it into a much larger pot whilst I wait to see what to do with it. I first had plans to air layer the top part and ask your advice for the bottom part :cheer: I don't mind if it's tricky I only paid ?25 for it, you could just about get a small bonsai over here for that price so anything I can do with it would be great. Photos to follow.
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Posted 8 years 8 months ago #20788
Found the pic :blush:
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Posted 8 years 8 months ago #20789
Is winter the time to be cutting down trees then?
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Posted 8 years 8 months ago #20798

leatherback wrote: Walnut is not the best of species for bonsai as it is very coarse (Twigs and leaves). It can be done, but you need to know what you are doing. I would start with an elm or carpinus or something like that.


Hm.. And then you go ahead and buy a tiny thin walnut? 3cm is TINY. 名媛直播 development is done with thick trunks. For a tree like walnut to be succesfull .. Think trunks in the tens of cm.

Sorry, but what you bought is pretty much the least suitable material to start with.
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Posted 8 years 8 months ago #20801
You may look into trying privet as an alternate beginner tree. Suitable for bonsai, super hardy, and readily available in your area, whether at the nursery or in old hedgerows.
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