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Auk wrote:

Gail wrote: it will take many, many year before it would get a big trunk.

That's bonsai. If you're not willing to invest many, many years in training, then don't do bonsai.

Of course I understand this, time isn't the problem. Maybe I misread or misunderstood but it seemed like Orlando was suggesting this plant was too small and I shouldn't bother trying to bonsai it.

I know it going to be a ugly little twig for quite a long time. I know I probably shocked the poor thing and it might not recover but if it does recover, it will grow like mad and I will have to prune it some. At least I will need to remove new growth, its constantly sending out new branches, usually where I don't want them.

Please don't think I'm a idjut for using this plant, I do plan on finding a proper tree to work over this spring.

The closest club is a hour away. They meet weekly and its not too far but the meetings are a bit too late at night. I have troubles driving at night so going isn't a option. I can check around locally, there might be someone who has some experience.

Gail wrote: Maybe I misread or misunderstood but it seemed like Orlando was suggesting this plant was too small and I shouldn't bother trying to bonsai it.

Currently the plant isn't interesting material for bonsai. That doesn't mean it cannot become interesting material, but that takes (lots of) time.

I know it going to be a ugly little twig for quite a long time

It will stay an ugly little twig forever, unless when you give it room to grow, and use the correct techniques to develop an interesting trunk, roots and branches.

it will grow like mad

Let it grow like mad. You need lots of growth in order to be able to form a trunk, get branches at the right locations, select branches, shape it, etc...

Please don't think I'm a idjut for using this plant

No one said that.

I do plan on finding a proper tree to work over this spring.

Even good material is useless if you don't master the techniques...

What I'd probably do:




and then let it grow freely for a long time.

If both lower branches are still alive, cut one (The one ont he right!) of. Let the other grow as tall as it will. This will create the thick base you would need to get more convincing tree feel to it.
They will be trimmed once the tree is thick enough.

You asked for advice so thats my opinion. you don't have to follow any advice it's up to you.
that you interpreted that as a useless plant is a bit odd.

Your methode for a decent bonsai trunk maybe in 40 years.
The well known method of let it grow out and prune back and repeat until the desired thickness maybe 10 to 15 years.

I guess what really threw me is I've seen bonsai with smaller trunks and they look quite nice. I wasn't expecting to be told this one was too little. I really though most bonsai were grown from seedlings and trained as they grew. I found it surprising that most are made from large bushes/trees.
I'm reconsidering what I want to do with this plant. I'm really leaning towards try mame with it but will wait until it starts putting out buds this spring before doing anything else.

I do wonder though, do you think I should unwire it and replant in regular potting soil? or is it better where its at now? The soil its in is mostly diatomaceous earth (napa oil dry) with a little potting soil, some coco coir and fine pebbles.

Leave it alone for now. It has been through too much already.

I would be keen to see which trees you have seen that have thinner trunks and look nice..

Gail wrote: I guess what really threw me is I've seen bonsai with smaller trunks and they look quite nice. I wasn't expecting to be told this one was too little.

I think the difference is what you think is bonsai, and what we think it is.

This you can create. We don't consider it bonsai though:



This is a bonsai. Creating this takes many years of learning, training and dedication:

I really though most bonsai were grown from seedlings and trained as they grew.

For me that is hardly possible, as it takes far too much time. The best bonsai are created from trees that come from nature and are sometimes hundreds of years old (Yamadori).

I do wonder though, do you think I should unwire it and replant in regular potting soil?

Leave it alone and give it time to recover.

I was thinking more like these

Gail wrote: I was thinking more like these

Similar to what I posted. Not bonsai.