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Posted 9 years 2 months ago #17602
So I have always wanted a bonsai and I have tried to grown some from seeds, however it never panned out and school/work was in the way so I decided to wait. Well for passing my final qualification exam, my fiancé bought me a bonsai kit with a beautiful juniper bonsai as a gift.

My perception was that all bonsais were kept indoors pointing south for optimal lighting. After months of being indoors it finally started yellowing and some branches becoming brittle. I did a ton of research and found out that these trees are supposed to be kept outdoors so outside the plant went. It started getting back some of its colour but now almost the whole plant is yellow.

After additional reading I have found out that bonsais should be kept in moist dirt and should be watered only when the earth is wet. However after more reading (after I had been watering the hect of the plant) that junipers actually are quite hardy with minimal amount of water so now I am nervous that I have been overwatering the plant to compensate.

So I have been doing more reading and now I am worries that the plant has a disease or something. The plant is no longer brittle, all of the "dead" needles feel off in a harsh storm we had just over a week ago and the current branches are still flexible. ALso most of the needles/small braches by the trunk of the plant are still green.

I am at a loss of what to do or how to help the plant recover. I live in South Western Ontario and we are heading into winter so I am nervous the plant is so weak that it will die with the cold weather. Any tips or tricks would be greatly appreciated and have a great day!
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Posted 9 years 2 months ago #17603
Amazing how human perception works, and how identical the ideas are about what bonsai is, what they look like, and how you should take care for them.

I wonder what websites you've been reading too...

Seems your juniper is a goner, died some time ago already, but I'm not sure. Could you post a photo?
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Posted 9 years 2 months ago #17605
Ya well it was my first tree and I truly didn't know enough went I received the plant.

I am going to try my best to salvage it if I can. Is there any way to know for sure that a plant is dead or not? If I peel back some of the bark to see the inner branch or truck will that help indicate the health of the tree?

Let me know, thanks.
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Posted 9 years 2 months ago #17606

jred wrote: Is there any way to know for sure that a plant is dead or not? If I peel back some of the bark to see the inner branch or truck will that help indicate the health of the tree?


If you see only brown, than that means it is dead. If you see green, you still know nothing.
How about that photo ?
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Posted 9 years 2 months ago #17611
You can see the tree in the first pic and then the green closer to the trunk. I think the plant is gone but I don't mind trying to care for it and see if it will have any new growth in the spring. Even if I can get part of the plant to live that's fine with me, beauty is secondary at this point (since it's a gift I would like to save it). Let me know what you guys think and thanks Auk for all your advice.
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Posted 9 years 2 months ago #17614
Quite definitely dead. Junipers are hardy and cannot survive indoors. You need to find a book and read about how to care for the species you had, then get another. Keep the pot throw the plant.
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Posted 9 years 2 months ago #17615

jred wrote: You can see the tree in the first pic and then the green closer to the trunk. I think the plant is gone but I don't mind trying to care for it and see if it will have any new growth in the spring.


I agree with both conclusions. It's likely that it is beyond recovery, but if you don't mind trying, why not.
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Posted 9 years 2 months ago #17620
Thank you m5eaygeoff and Auk for confirming the death... I think I will try winterizing the plant regardless and see if it heals up in the spring (worse comes to worse I just throw it out in 6 months).

Yes I have been doing extensive research on indoor vs outdoor plants and how the positioning plays a factor. I think I am going to try to buy a ficus BUT I have read these are also not indoor plants. Is this true?

I also read about the African traditional jade plant, Crassula a. These have been listed as indoor plants that require an extreme amount of sunlight so maybe they would be better? However I have no idea where I would track this species down.

I have been reading lots of articles on this website and I definitely see where I went wrong with my misconception on indoor vs outdoor plants and the necessity to identify species appropriately. Thanks again guys and have a good one.
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Posted 9 years 2 months ago #17621

jred wrote: I think I am going to try to buy a ficus BUT I have read these are also not indoor plants. Is this true?


I think the only plant that has evolved to thrive indoors is the basement mushroom.
Indoor trees do not exist; no trees have evolved to thrive inside a house.

There are plants though that will do well indoors. Ficus is one of them. Not for me, I'm not good with indoor plants... except:

African traditional jade plant, Crassula a.


I have a Crassula. My wife waters it, as I always forget. So does she, by the way. Sometimes I notice the leaves are shriveled up so I water them. I have a few cuttins in tiny pots with a minimal amount of soil. I've been cutting off parts of the mother-plant and just left them in the pot. They are thriving. I have so many now that a lot of 'm are outdoors, in the cold. They still thrive. Seems they are doing even better there (they'll die though when it starts freezing, I'm sure).

[These have been listed as indoor plants that require an extreme amount of sunlight[/quote]

I live in the Netherlands. They're not getting an extreme amount of sunlight... they're not getting much of anything, really. They're the most neglected plants I have. They seem to like that.
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Posted 9 years 2 months ago #17624
Ok so I think I will try to track down a Crassula instead. Maybe the local nursery will have one?

I live in Canada so we are heavy into fall (however it feels like spring the past week) so the different local nurseries will be having lots of sales to try to get people to buy things, maybe I will get a deal on something.

For the cutting's you speak of Auk, does that mean you are trimming a branch and then it sprouts roots and grows into another plant? If so, what is the term called for this technique - it intrigues me and I would like to read more about it. The more and more I read, the more "complex" this hobby is. I really enjoy learning new things (and hate failing at things) so I am trying to learn as much as possible before getting another plant.

Thanks - J
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