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Hello all! First post here so greetings to everyone!
As in subject, I'm totally green sprout yet, but willing to learn! Sorry for stupid questions
I got three nice looking trees from local gardener. They weren't grown as dedicated bonsai but I chose some with interesting shape already. All have about 1.2~1.4 inch trunk diameter and messy branches Images below.

First is Maidenhair (Gingko Biloba) - I got it because I totally love this species!
Second is Japanese Snowball (Viburnum plicatum - not to confuse with japanese snowbell) - this one has interesting tree-like form already
Third is Rocky Mountain Fir (Abies lasiocarpa) and I got it ...Because

I suspect that they might need some more growing before any serious shaping (or maybe not?)
But probably some excessive branches can be pruned or completely removed right away.
I'm totally terrified before any first time cuts so please advice!

As for styles, it may be too soon, but I imagined as follows:
GINGKO - Chakkan/Fukinagashi
SNOWBALL - definitely Hokidashi
MOUNTAIN FIR - Moyogi/Chakkan - I'm not sure if it's possible to form Moyogi from it though.

Additionally I got two very young trees from near construction site, they were about to be destroyed by heavy equipment anyways, so at least I gave them slight chance to survive... One is double-trunk oak and second is No-Name yet - it started to sprout leafs, so soon identification will be possible. I think to put these directly to ground for now and just let them grow (or maybe I can leave them in pots?)

Finally 3 catalpa sprouts that I'm very proud to grow from seeds. A question here - I keep them indoor for now, but as catalpas are outdoor trees, when should I move them outside? Can I grow them in pots all the time or should I move them to ground?

Thank You in advance for any answers!

Sorry, but some images didn't attach so here is supplement:
- Oak
- No Name
- Catlapas

I am as uncertain, unsure and unconfident as you probably are but something is telling me, looking at the pics, it is hard for me to see what you could do to make a 名媛直播 from many of those. The Mountain Pine you could do in a Literatti style but I am not 100% sure. It just I think that style would show off the straight vertical line of the trunk.

The NoName001 pic in your second post looks promising I think.

Mikuda wrote: but willing to learn!

First lesson:
When you go to a pet store, you don't buy a cat, a dog, a lizard and a fish, to come home with your new pets and realize you don't have the environment nor the knowledge to take care of them. Also, you don't have a fishbowl.

Likewise, when you buy trees as bonsai starter material, you don't just randomly buy stuff and then wonder what to do with it, you first decide what species, study it, and decide if you can offer it the correct environment and proper care.

Ginkgo and Rocky Mountain fir can be used for bonsai. The Snowball - I don't think so. I don't think Catalpa is a good choice either. Oak is possible but not to easy to shape. About the NoName I have NoIdea.

For Ginkgo and Rocky Mountain Juniper look up the care guidelines (Google) and study them. Look at examples too (Google images).

The Ginkgo I would probably cut back by two third and then let it grow. I say probably, and I'm not recommending it, as I cannot properly see the structure of the tree. Do note Ginkgo does not really heal cut wounds so you do not want to make big cuts. I'd shape it... Ginkgo style.

The Fir (Pseudotsuga):
There might be a smaller tree in there - I wonder if you could cut of half.
Again, I cannot properly see the trunk and branch structure to give a good advice.
For this tree I'd choose formal upright style.

Hello! Thank you for replies. I understand Your arguments Auk, and I agree with them.
No need to be harsh!
It's not that I picked those species totally random. All are confirmed to grow well naturally in my climate. I'm also aware that not every species is suited for bonsai. Some experiments won't do any harm though. I have a lot of space to plant them to ground and let them grow just as regular garden plants so comparing to animal care was rather extreme

I know snowball is not commonly used for bonsai but I'll give it a try anyway.
Also, I decided to reduce all excessive twigs on those plants. I think I like "Gingko style" suggestion )
As for the Fir I'll stick to formal upright indeed, also MAYBE I'd like to try to put it on rock with exposed roots later on. (But I'm not gonna be stubborn on that idea so don't flame me!)

Catalpas - I googled some bonsai examples made of it and a lot of them grow in a forest and park near my house (normal trees not bonsai ofc.) so they feel good where I live. Can someone please advise me on sprouts? They are growing fast in a pot indoor.
When should I move them outside and eventually put to ground? Or maybe let them grow in pots?

OAK is now planted in ground for few years I think.

NoName still waits to get a name

Mikuda wrote: No need to be harsh!

Oh, that's just me being me. Don't worry about it.

It's not that I picked those species totally random. All are confirmed to grow well naturally in my climate.

Very good. It is an excellent idea to choose native trees.

I'm also aware that not every species is suited for bonsai. Some experiments won't do any harm though. I have a lot of space to plant them to ground and let them grow just as regular garden plants so comparing to animal care was rather extreme

I like extreme examples
Your plan is good. You can experiment, and let them grow as regular garden plants too. If they don't get good bonsai you still have nice garden plants. Win-win situation (am I doing better yet?)

By the way:
When growing bonsai, you're not only looking for species that grow small twigs - you also need trees that form a usable trunk. Also, you'd want trees that have small leaves, and if they flower, the flowers shouldn't be too big. Snowball therefore imho is not suitable.

I think I like "Gingko style" suggestion )

I think that will suit Ginkgo's best

As for the Fir I'll stick to formal upright indeed, also MAYBE I'd like to try to put it on rock with exposed roots later on. (But I'm not gonna be stubborn on that idea so don't flame me!)

There's no reason at all to flame you for that. Unfortunately, being the grumpy old man I am, I've found nothing else in your post to be pompous about.

Catalpas - I googled some bonsai examples made of it and a lot of them grow in a forest and park near my house (normal trees not bonsai ofc.) so they feel good where I live.

It's done - and why not. The leaves of Catalpa's however are very large (that is, the Catalpa variety that I know).

Can someone please advise me on sprouts? They are growing fast in a pot indoor. when should I move them outside and eventually put to ground? Or maybe let them grow in pots?

What's your local climate, what will the temperatures be like ?

Hi there again!
You're doing just great now

My climate is central Europe - humid/temperate/continental far from sea.
Current spring temperatures are 59-65 F (15-18 C)
Summer temperatures usually oscilate 68-83 F (20-28 C) with occasional peaks up to 86 F (30 C) rarely 95 F (35 C)
No problem with lack of rain.

I've read idea about large leaf bonsai, where single leaf symbolizes entire branch. In the end I'll be left with nice garden tree.

Do I have to let the tree bloom? I mean can I remove flowers in early stage to focus only on branches and leafs?

I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about Catalpa, except that I know they do well in our dutch climate.

I think you can put them outside (or wait a while until it gets a bit warmer, to be sure), but it may depend on the variety (though both the northern and the southern catalpa are hardy). Would you happen to know which Catalpa variety it is?

No, don't know yet, but I'll wait 'till those in the park get leaves for ID.

Meanwhile I'll wait until weather stabilizes and seizes to rain.
I'll post some more pics of other trees then - after first pruning.

Thank You!

Hi again!
Few days of nice weather made me go outside and take a good look at my bushes (for now).
I did some cosmetics on them: removed some of thin messy twigs and vastly shortened longest most excessive ones.
Also new better photos included.
Now I think main trunks are better exposed and visible on photographs so if anyone has any suggestion on further cutting/shaping I'll be glad to hear (can't promise I'll listen to You though ).
There is also new one - small wild apple tree, I want to use its side branch somehow:
- either expose as much of trunk below it as possible and straightening it a bit upwards..
OR
- just the opposite - let it go very horizontally?
Later I want to pot it on convex/hill-like shaped soil.

All of them are currently in pots and soil as taken from gardener and are doing just fine.
Should I water them profusely or just keep the soil moist?
Is it OK to repot them now into flatter bonsai training pots and bonsai soil?
Gingko has bright green but closed buds for now, the other two have very small leaves.
(Am I right that when leaves show up repotting is not recommended?)

Photos:
Gingko




Snowball