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They had one more Juniper at Wamart last night, so I went out and got it too before somebody else bought it. It looks like it will be easier to shape, and now I have a pair to work with:




Did I mention I love plants?

I am sorry to see that nobody actually adviced you against these plants. If you are serious about bonsai, you put these plants in a big pot or the garden for a few years. Styling.. Not with young plants like these. There really is nothing to style.

Spent a bit of time going through websites on 名媛直播, especially start looking at the trees, and realize how big these plants are.

名媛直播 are not started from tiny plants, by actually from very large plants, reduced over time.

I really don't understand why people, that meanwhile should know better, still say this 'could make a nice bonsai in a few years'.
A realistic prediction is that the junipers, that are kept inside, will eventually die - and even if they manage to survive, they will never become bonsai.

There are laws against deception. Shops selling this as bonsai should be punished.

can i just say there is a possibility that your "bonsai" can survive indoors, my friend is a botanist and he has a theory/half fact. he said that as long as the tree has been in indoors conditions not to different as its "normal" habitat and not to warm in your case, it can adapt but will not grow as well as if it was outdoors but as long as it does not spend more than two days outdoors, it may survive indoors. he could be wrong. but you can try your large-ish amount of luck.

good luck

Auk wrote: I really don't understand why people, that meanwhile should know better, still say this 'could make a nice bonsai in a few years'.
A realistic prediction is that the junipers, that are kept inside, will eventually die - and even if they manage to survive, they will never become bonsai.

There are laws against deception. Shops selling this as bonsai should be punished.

You can file suit against Walmart if you feel that strongly about it.

I had the feeling that Walmart would stick a stake in any small plant and call it a bonsai, then I visited one of the sites referenced in another thread for a member to possibly procure a bonsai online and saw them selling some of the same plants. Sago Palms, Jade Plants, Ponytail Palms (I have one), etc., and there are people on this site using Juniper as their choice of plant for a bonsai. So what says I can't?

They both might quite possibly die, it won't be the first time I've had a plant die and won't be the end of the world. But I have a Peace Lilly I've kept alive for 36 years, so I think I have a chance at it. I have a couple Dragon trees I bought as small plants that are between 4-5 feet tall now. I can grown them big, so big I've run out of room in my apartment for them, and will put my green thumb up against anyone's here. Now I want to try my hand at small plants.

I realize that growing conditions determine the width of the trunk, and I've supplemented the two 65 watt GroLights I had with one more last night shining directly on them, so they should be getting adequate lighting. I have a Bird of Paradise native to South Africa that is thriving under what light comes into my apartment and the previous two GroLights I had, so I believe a Juniper should be able do as well.

The pots they are in now are much bigger then the ones I bought them in. The root ball is nowhere near as big as the pot, and once they've had a chance to grow I'll transplant them again into the larger style pot I have my bigger plants in. It would look ridiculous to have them in a 12"-15" wide pot now, and in these I can set them right in the window.

The main thing now is to get them to thrive. I'm not looking to start cutting/pinching on them for years to come. They had 1-2 foot tall Juniper bushes marked 50% off that I could have gone with and started cutting right away, but I want to grow my own plants, and even if they never become a "bonsai" I still hope to have two nice plants.

And who knows, maybe in a few years I'll come back with photos of two Juniper bonsai that I grew.

Nishiama wrote: I had the feeling that Walmart would stick a stake in any small plant and call it a bonsai, then I visited one of the sites referenced in another thread for a member to possibly procure a bonsai online and saw them selling some of the same plants.

Yes, and that is what I wrote in another comment - there are loads of webshops that sell the same plants, deceptively called bonsai. Apparently it's very profitable - it's cheap material, and by putting it in a pot, glueing some rocks onto it to give it some mass and planting a cheap figurine next to it, they can be sold for a too high price.

But I have a Peace Lilly I've kept alive for 36 years, so I think I have a chance at it. I have a couple Dragon trees I bought as small plants that are between 4-5 feet tall now. I can grown them big, so big I've run out of room in my apartment for them, and will put my green thumb up against anyone's here. Now I want to try my hand at small plants.

You are aware there's a difference between tropical/subtropical plants and conifers?

I'm not looking to start cutting/pinching on them for years to come. They had 1-2 foot tall Juniper bushes marked 50% off that I could have gone with and started cutting right away, but I want to grow my own plants, and even if they never become a "bonsai" I still hope to have two nice plants.

If that's your goal, that's fine. You are right to leave them alone and try to make them thrive.

And who knows, maybe in a few years I'll come back with photos of two Juniper bonsai that I grew.

Not in a few years, maybe in 15 years, under the right conditions, not indoors.

Auk wrote: Yes, and that is what I wrote in another comment - there are loads of webshops that sell the same plants, deceptively called bonsai. Apparently it's very profitable - it's cheap material, and by putting it in a pot, glueing some rocks onto it to give it some mass and planting a cheap figurine next to it, they can be sold for a too high price.

When you file your suit against Walmart you can file an action against them while you're at it.

Auk wrote: You are aware there's a difference between tropical/subtropical plants and conifers?

Yes, I live in an area of the US where conifers grow in the wild. No so for tropical/subtropical plants.

Auk wrote: If that's your goal, that's fine. You are right to leave them alone and try to make them thrive.

That's the plan. If, and when, they grow large enough to do something with I'll see then what can be done. Patience is a virtue I possess.

Auk wrote: Not in a few years, maybe in 15 years, under the right conditions, not indoors.

See above.

While it's apparent you're an expert on what can and can't be done with a plant, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, and for the next few years you can remain confident in your belief that you're right and I'm wrong


BTW, do you happen to have a 36 year old plant? If so, please post a photo. I'd love to see it. I'd be more than happy to post one of mine, if it wouldn't be off topic.

Nishiama wrote: While it's apparent you're an expert on what can and can't be done with a plant, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, and for the next few years you can remain confident in your belief that you're right and I'm wrong
BTW, do you happen to have a 36 year old plant? If so, please post a photo. I'd love to see it. I'd be more than happy to post one of mine, if it wouldn't be off topic.

I will never call myself an expert. I'm an amateur with many years of interest in bonsai, but only some 12 years growing them myself (with ups and downs - periods where I just did not have the time and lost interest). My trees do not stand a chance next to real bonsai masterpieces. My interest in bonsai got renewed 2 years ago when my tree, that was a shrub in a pot, after years of training, actually started to look like something that might become a bonsai.

I do recognize people that are new to bonsai - especially the kind of people that have a green thumb and have wonderful plants that are thriving - and their reactions. Having green fingers absolutely is an advantage - but there's more required to grow a bonsai tree - they are not house plants.

I do actually own a tree that is about 35 years old. I'm not a great photographer, I can't seem to make it look as good on photo as it is in real life. I'll give it a try and post the result.

Auk wrote: I will never call myself an expert. I'm an amateur with many years of interest in bonsai, but only some 12 years growing them myself (with ups and downs - periods where I just did not have the time and lost interest).

*snip*

I do actually own a tree that is about 35 years old. I'm not a great photographer, I can't seem to make it look as good on photo as it is in real life. I'll give it a try and post the result.

I hope you can get a good shot, I really would like to see it. But with 12 years experience in the field of bonsai, a 35 year old tree must have been bought when it was already 23 years old, unless you purchased it more recently.

I can buy a 60 year old tree today and claim I have a 60 year old tree. I got my Peace Lilly as a small plant from the local flower shop for my grandmother when she was in the hospital in 1978 and raised it myself.

Man... Listening to other people who seem to know what they are talking about is considered a virtue. I gotta say that the fact of having a plant living for 36 years is awesome, that said, that doesn't guarantee in any way that your Juniper will also survive another 36 years. I do know, however, that each and every piece of paper, article, book, magazine, website, writer, artist and enthusiast states that for a Juniper to thrive and not just survive, must be kept outdoors. I acknowledge the fact that having a "green thumb" is a desireable advantage but I strongly believe that is rather improbable that if kept indoors your Juniper might achieve the magnificent 36 years old age. I do hope you don't take this the wrong way, no harm intended...

Alain