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Posted 6 months 3 days ago #83697
I'm having a little trouble with my Carmona bonsai which I bought about 2 months ago.

I've noticed the leafs turning yellow and brown and falling off. I have been watering every few days as I was told they like lots of water when I bought it so every three or so days I will water or if the soil looks slightly dry, I started giving it a bonsai feed but I'm wondering if I've mixed too strong a liquid. The feed says 5ml to every 1L but my water cup only measured up to 150ml. Also I have placed it on my desk which in hindsight doesn't get loads of light through the day.

I have started placing it on the window ledge for the last few days. Is the tree too far gone and dead/dying? I've watered less and tried to give more light hoping it might recover. I've tried to include a photo but I'm not sure if it's worked. Any info would be really appreciated ??
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Posted 6 months 3 days ago #83698
Never fertilize an unhealthy tree. When there are no uptake the fertilizer risk to build up to dangerous levels.

Carmona not only like it wet, they also like it humid. I think that is the very reason for all trees imported to Europe dies within a few months.
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Posted 6 months 3 days ago #83700
Oh right ? I'm sure it's started to suffer since I applied the feed. I've only fed it twice but looks like it could be this that has done the damage.

Any chance of it recovering or is it a hard lesson learned. I've always wanted a bonsai and this was my first, is there any that are more "easier" for novice?
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Posted 6 months 3 days ago #83703
Two times fertilizing with recomended dose did not kill it. Lack of humidity most likelly did.

The best bonsai species for beginners is locally hardy and grown outdoors all year. You can get nurcery stock from a local garden center or dig up from your garden or your neighbours. If legal you can go out to your closest forest and dig up as well. Most likelly you need the land owners permission.
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Posted 6 months 3 days ago #83705
I'm speaking as a novice too mate but if you have outside space then I'd say go for a Chinese Elm. I was bought one in October 2022 and even I have managed to keep it alive.

As for the Fukien, strangely i also bought one a couple of months ago from a garden centre with a view to keeping it inside as my only 'inside' bonsai but every time the sun has been shining, I've put it outside; it's there now as a matter of fact.?

Mine was in very poor soil so the first thing I did was repot it then just left it alone (no feed) and watered when needed. I use one of those cheap moisture meters; they are probably not that great but better than guessing.

It may be worth you putting it in better soil but I reckon the experts on here will tell you that it's either too late in the year now or the tree is too weak to survive the stress of a repot. Hopefully someone can help you.

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Posted 6 months 3 days ago #83707

Wonker wrote: I'm speaking as a novice too mate but if you have outside space then I'd say go for a Chinese Elm. I was bought one in October 2022 and even I have managed to keep it alive.

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?I do not mean to be rude here. But this is an international forum. Would you think your recomendation to keep chinese elm outdoors all year would be appropriate for someone in Texas or in Alaska?

That is why I say that locally hardy trees is the best. In your location chinese elm is obviously locally hardy and therefore a good choice.

I do grow chinese elms and love the fact that they have naturally small leafs and grow very fast. That is very good for beginners. But I live in a place where they are not hardy. So I tend to advice not to get one to people that do not have a good overwintering setup, which most beginners do not have.

I do not say you are wrong, just that other people might have other conditions.
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Posted 6 months 3 days ago #83708
That’s fair enough but I did start the sentence by stating I’m a novice. My location is also in my profile so if the OP is in the same location my advice would apply to him.?
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Posted 6 months 3 days ago #83709
Most people do not add the correct location in the profile and most beginners do not check the profiles of the respondees.

UK is excellent fot chinese elms.
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Posted 6 months 2 days ago #83710
Thanks for all the suggestions and help for my errors ?. I think for now I will just try and give it as much light and try upping the humidity and see if anything happens as I've got nothing to lose I guess.

Lesson learned I guess ?
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Posted 6 months 2 days ago #83711
I think you should be a lot more careful with watering, you should be checking every day, and water when almost dry. The soil looks poor however if it is draining well then it should be ok for a while. Carmona is a very difficult species, especially when kept inside, and not in a greenhouse where it would be fine. Have you checked for insects on the leaves(under)?
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