Combining more than one 名媛直播 in a pot
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I have seen groves or copses of bonsai before with the same kind of tree, but has anyone seen or tried combining more than one kind of tree in one pot? For example, 3 different kinds of pines?
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Posted 9 months 2 weeks ago #82798
In bonsai it is called a forest. Not groves or copses. Althou I would say that it is more accurate names.
There are so many traditions in bonsai that some people think is neccesary to obey to be able to call it a bonsai. One species forests is one of them. So "carved in stone" that not many people dare to challenge it. Or maybe don't dare to tell anyone that they are doing it? I don't know.
However I have seen one small youtuber doing it. Jonas from bonsai cornwall. Just the bravery of doing it is worh a sub.
Mixed species bonsai forests will proboably not be welcome in bonsai shows for decades. I have never seen one I like. But I am sure it can be done. With the old and wide spread opinion that forests needs to be one species only, I do not think I will see a good looking mixed species forest in my lifetime.
But if you want to try, please go ahead. In bonsai we always talk about what is or looks natural. But is one species forests natural? It may be in some places. But where I live, mixed species forests are natural and one species forests are tree plantations, production of timber, straight rows of straight trunk trees. Far from natural.
I do not think I will create a mix species bonsai forest. But I support any attempt. If I ever want to challenge the ideas, I would create a tree plantation penjing. Straight trunk trees in straight rows in a totally square pot with a small hut and some figurines working on harvesting. That would proboably chock the community more than mixed species forests.
There are so many traditions in bonsai that some people think is neccesary to obey to be able to call it a bonsai. One species forests is one of them. So "carved in stone" that not many people dare to challenge it. Or maybe don't dare to tell anyone that they are doing it? I don't know.
However I have seen one small youtuber doing it. Jonas from bonsai cornwall. Just the bravery of doing it is worh a sub.
Mixed species bonsai forests will proboably not be welcome in bonsai shows for decades. I have never seen one I like. But I am sure it can be done. With the old and wide spread opinion that forests needs to be one species only, I do not think I will see a good looking mixed species forest in my lifetime.
But if you want to try, please go ahead. In bonsai we always talk about what is or looks natural. But is one species forests natural? It may be in some places. But where I live, mixed species forests are natural and one species forests are tree plantations, production of timber, straight rows of straight trunk trees. Far from natural.
I do not think I will create a mix species bonsai forest. But I support any attempt. If I ever want to challenge the ideas, I would create a tree plantation penjing. Straight trunk trees in straight rows in a totally square pot with a small hut and some figurines working on harvesting. That would proboably chock the community more than mixed species forests.
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Posted 9 months 2 weeks ago #82804
I have seen pots with two different species, a large conifer and a smaller deciduous tree. The small tree looked a lot like the small accent plant you sometimes see in displays, but in a pot with relatively large diameter.
I think you would have to be very careful about soil, fertilizer, sun, etc., to keep the two trees healthy. I have enough trouble keeping single trees alive so I don't think I will try it, but I thought they looked good.
Topfrog is probably correct that they won't be winning shows for a while. If shows are important don't try. 名媛直播 is art and art has to be what you want. Give it a try and be yourself.
If we just restricted ourselves to what somebody did in Japan 100 years ago it would be a poor hobby.
I think you would have to be very careful about soil, fertilizer, sun, etc., to keep the two trees healthy. I have enough trouble keeping single trees alive so I don't think I will try it, but I thought they looked good.
Topfrog is probably correct that they won't be winning shows for a while. If shows are important don't try. 名媛直播 is art and art has to be what you want. Give it a try and be yourself.
If we just restricted ourselves to what somebody did in Japan 100 years ago it would be a poor hobby.
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Combining more than one bonsai in a pot, penjing maybe ? Check most posts from Mimo about the topic.
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Posted 9 months 2 weeks ago #82809
I understand the topic beeing about more than one species in the same pot rather than more than one tree. I cannot remember any Mimo creation with more than one species in the same pot.
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Posted 9 months 1 week ago #82847
Thank you for your reply, and the clarification of the vocabulary. I am new to 名媛直播 and know very little. I am mostly worried about the health of the trees in combining them in the same pot. I love the look of Penjing, and have some conifers that I thought would look like a natural landscape. I have no intention of entering anything into a show. haha I am just working on keeping things alive and enjoying myself. But I didn't want to make the mistake of combining different species of conifers if they would not do well together.
Thanks so much for the support.
Thanks so much for the support.
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Posted 9 months 1 week ago #82848
Most of the competition between trees in nature happens above soil in the fight for light. That can be handled with balanced pruning in bonsai. I know I have read about species that use toxins in the roots to compete for root space. Cannot remember what species, but I am quite sure it was tropical.
There may be issues with root competition. Fex, I would not mix dawn redwood with other species as it is crazy root grower. But other than that I think it is a question of trial and error. Since few have tried, there are not much experience to rely on.
There may be issues with root competition. Fex, I would not mix dawn redwood with other species as it is crazy root grower. But other than that I think it is a question of trial and error. Since few have tried, there are not much experience to rely on.
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Posted 9 months 5 days ago #82876Most of the competition between trees in nature happens above soil in the fight for light. That can be handled with balanced pruning in bonsai. I know I have read about species that use toxins in the roots to compete for root space. Cannot remember what species, but I am quite sure it was tropical.
There may be issues with root competition. Fex, I would not mix dawn redwood with other species as it is crazy root grower. But other than that I think it is a question of trial and error. Since few have tried, there are not much experience to rely on.
I have read that pines are toxic to other species. I am not sure I believe that. Here in the Southern US there are plenty of second growth forests replacing pines with hardwoods. Would that happen if pines are toxic?
Similarly, I gave heard the same about oaks, with tannin in the leaves killing off others.
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Posted 9 months 4 days ago #82882
I am quite sure decidious oaks compete throue the environment fallen leafs create. I have a big one on my property and the thick layer of acidic leafs do not leave anything else posibility to grow. Not even grass.
If roots has something to do with it, I don't know, possibly. But I would think it is just about depleating the soil.
Very interesting subject. I am sure testing is the only way to get totally sure what works and what does'nt.
If roots has something to do with it, I don't know, possibly. But I would think it is just about depleating the soil.
Very interesting subject. I am sure testing is the only way to get totally sure what works and what does'nt.
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