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Posted 10 months 1 week ago #82659
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My bonsai is slowly dying but I don’t know what I’ve done wrong… a year ago, I repotted my bonsai of 4 years as it had outgrown the pot I had bought it in. The roots were coming from through the holes at the bottom of the pot so I decided to repot it. Since then, there was a big infestation which almost killed the bonsai twice but I was able to save it by d oh sing with insect repellent but over the past 3 months, the leaves of the bonsai started shrivelling (it was well watered and I could tell this based on the fact that the unaffected leaves at the bottom still looked healthy-please refer to attached picture). I decided that I’d chop of this dried bit to stop whatever was happening from spreading- this was approx 3 weeks ago, but now it has started again with the healthier bottom leaves- stem by stem… I have already tried once again doing a peat repellent treatment but there isn’t any improvement. I have no idea what I’m doing wrong… can anyone help?
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Posted 10 months 1 week ago #82660
This plant is in poor condition, probably from lack of maintainance, unpruned, poor light has stressed the plant. As for pests, have you checked to see there is a pest on it? I cannot tell from the pictures what species it is, possibly Chinese Elm, which means it must not be kept inside. It depends on where you are in the world whether it can go outside now, but you do not say where you are. If it is winter then you may have to transition moving it out slowly. But first you need to see if there are any pests on it and treat accordingly. Also watering needs to be monitored so that it gets the correct amount do not water until almost dry. If this were mine I would prune quite hard to reduce the overall canopy and remove the elongated shoots, then let it grow for the year, that is if it survives.
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Posted 10 months 1 week ago #82661
Chinese elm have alternate leafs, this one have oposite leafs. It is absolutely not a chinese elm. If I were to put out a guess I would say chinese privet. Ligusturum sinense.
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Posted 10 months 1 week ago #82663
Thank you both for your replies.

- This is definitely a Chinese Privet

-I live in the south of England, so even though it is warmer than other parts of England we still experience cold winters . I also don’t have space outside to place my bonsai safely.

-I have had this bonsai for over five years, and it has remained indoors with no issues.

-although it looks like this bonsai hasn’t been well taken care of, the reason it looks so bare is because of an insect infestation which was caught too late. Once we were able to identify the problem, it was too late and a lot of the leaves were lost and they never properly regrew.

-The issue now is that one stalk/branch seems to have the leaves wilting and this spreads throughout the bonsai. When the bonsai requires water, I can tell because all the leaves look very limp and they all start looking a bit limp. However we have not had this for sometime and we make sure to water when required so it’s very confusing, what is causing this effect

-I have not been able to identify any pests. However, last time it took some time to find these pets because they were either really tiny or they were hiding. Out of frustration, I decided to use pesticides spray which brought the plant back to health.

- i’ve tried to research what could be causing this weird phenomena, but it seems like nothing like this exists on the Internet hence why I’m asking for help because I really do not know what to do. I’m afraid I will have to
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trim this bonsai down to its trunk with no leaves.

-have trimmed off the top part and just left the bottom bit ask Me seen them this picture that’s all I’ve added.

I really do not know what to do so if anyone has had this problem before or knows what is going on, I would really appreciate your insight.
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Posted 10 months 1 week ago #82664
If you had a chinese privet indoors without issues for 5 years you are far more of an expert than anyone here. I had mine indoors one winter only and it nearly died. But in my opinion your tree looks like it got dry at one point. Anyway, I think you need to wait a few weeks before the spring push before you know If it made it or not. Meanwhile just keep it hydrated and hope.
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Posted 10 months 1 week ago #82680
One thing to remember is that "hot" and "cold" are relative ideas. We were visiting the oldest son in Hong Kong one New Year and the temperature was about 18C. The oldest son thought it was cold. We (from Alabama) thought it was pleasantly cool. The youngest son from Rochester, New York, thought it was warm; he hadn't seen above freezing in over a month.

Us humans get used to central heat and air and think anything outside of a 8 or 9 degree interval is cold or hot. Plants evolved in particular climate and learned to survive in that climate. They get used to temperature changes and expect them. They expect wind to blow insects away and rain falling from above, long periods of light with solar frequency ranges and long periods of dark.

They don't listen to advertisements telling them how beastly hot it is so the need to upgrade their air conditioner, so they don't realize that it is beastly hot. They just soak up sun light. Then in winter they don't put on sweaters. They shut down the growth cycle and go dormant until it warms up again. They can enjoy a year or two, maybe three, of no dormant periods, but not getting their weather cycle stresses them and makes them vulnerable to bugs and fungi.

Research the weather where the tree evolved and try to match it as closely as you can.
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Posted 10 months 1 week ago #82682
Chinese privet is one of those odd trees that gardeners happily plant in ground in zone 6-9, but in bonsai we treat it as a subtropical and sometime tropical tree. I have found that 5c overwintering works great as for most subtropical trees. But I have not dared to put one in unheated overwintering. Now that I have more than 50 cuttings growing, I may try that come next winter. Sometimes old truths needs to be challenged.
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