Araucaria (Hoop Pine) very unhappy after pruning
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Posted 3 years 1 month ago #73460
Hello everyone, this is my first time positing here but I really hope you can help shed some light on why my beloved Araucaria is so unhappy at the spots where we pruned it back a few months ago.
For context, I have had the tree for 3 years now and I assume it to be around 5-6 years old. When we purchased it, it was quite scraggly and so we left it to grow and fill out without much interference from us however, we then took the plunge of repotting it, pruning it back, and wiring it for the first time (approximately 1 month between repotting and pruning).
The tree seemed to respond perfectly well to the pruning at first (new growth) but now, 7 months later, the branches around the biggest cut we made (at the top of the tree) are all drying up and starting to fall off and I am very worried we have caused serious damage by making such a large cut and that this is the start of the tree dying. Additionally, we wanted to try and redirect one of the branches by wiring it and many of the needles around this area are now beginning to dry out and fall off as well - does this typically happen when you wire a branch, or is it something to be worried about?
I am attaching photos from before pruning, the site of the biggest cut 6 weeks after pruning, as well as current photos showing the areas I am most concerned about for reference.
Thank you for any help or insight in advance.
JS.
For context, I have had the tree for 3 years now and I assume it to be around 5-6 years old. When we purchased it, it was quite scraggly and so we left it to grow and fill out without much interference from us however, we then took the plunge of repotting it, pruning it back, and wiring it for the first time (approximately 1 month between repotting and pruning).
The tree seemed to respond perfectly well to the pruning at first (new growth) but now, 7 months later, the branches around the biggest cut we made (at the top of the tree) are all drying up and starting to fall off and I am very worried we have caused serious damage by making such a large cut and that this is the start of the tree dying. Additionally, we wanted to try and redirect one of the branches by wiring it and many of the needles around this area are now beginning to dry out and fall off as well - does this typically happen when you wire a branch, or is it something to be worried about?
I am attaching photos from before pruning, the site of the biggest cut 6 weeks after pruning, as well as current photos showing the areas I am most concerned about for reference.
Thank you for any help or insight in advance.
JS.
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Posted 3 years 1 month ago #73461
Araucaria is really hard to grow in room temperature. Authum is the time when they start to suffer. They get less and less light during this time. As our heating systems kicks in they usually go from suffering to dieing.
I have tried so many times, in my area it is simply not possible to make them survive. Now I keep mine in heated overwintering room in winter. 5 degrees and natural sun from the roof. In summer it is outside all the time. Now I have my first really healthy araucaria ever.
I have tried so many times, in my area it is simply not possible to make them survive. Now I keep mine in heated overwintering room in winter. 5 degrees and natural sun from the roof. In summer it is outside all the time. Now I have my first really healthy araucaria ever.
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Posted 3 years 1 week ago #74071
Hi Tropfrog,
Thank you for your response and my apologies for not picking it up and thanking you sooner!
Unfortunately more of our bonsai's branches are drying out and falling off despite our best efforts to keep it hydrated. Your comments make me wonder if it would be better to put the him outside under a covered patio however, I fear that the shock of the transition out of a heated house into the German winter climate may make things worse and not better.
Do you have any insights on this/or other suggestions for how we may be able to save it?
Thank you,
John.
Thank you for your response and my apologies for not picking it up and thanking you sooner!
Unfortunately more of our bonsai's branches are drying out and falling off despite our best efforts to keep it hydrated. Your comments make me wonder if it would be better to put the him outside under a covered patio however, I fear that the shock of the transition out of a heated house into the German winter climate may make things worse and not better.
Do you have any insights on this/or other suggestions for how we may be able to save it?
Thank you,
John.
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Posted 3 years 1 week ago #74072
Araucaria is known to tollerate a few hours of light frost. But I would not take a chanse on a tree that havent been hardened off properly. If you can provide 5-10 c that is your best chanse. However, this long into winter it might be too late. I am sorry to tell you.
This species is sold in my country as indoor pine. But I have seen so many dead or dieing indoor araucaria that I am certain it does not tollerate living room conditions. Two years ago I saw my first healthy and mature specimen. 5 meters high, 12 years old and grown in a mediteranean style conservatory. Full sun and frost free in winter. It was amazing. Thats when I got the idea to try make a bonsai out of a small one. Now I have a healthy tree but many years to make it a trustworthy bonsai.
This species is sold in my country as indoor pine. But I have seen so many dead or dieing indoor araucaria that I am certain it does not tollerate living room conditions. Two years ago I saw my first healthy and mature specimen. 5 meters high, 12 years old and grown in a mediteranean style conservatory. Full sun and frost free in winter. It was amazing. Thats when I got the idea to try make a bonsai out of a small one. Now I have a healthy tree but many years to make it a trustworthy bonsai.
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Posted 3 years 1 week ago #74094
First off, I don't know if that type of Araucaria is the same that we have here, but I'm gonna talk about the one I know...
Araucaria are native from the coldest and higher regions of Brazil, it can tolerate very well about -5?C.
So I don't think that indoor would be an apropriate way to cultivate it... unless you get way more colder winters, so a shed could be good.
Just try to prune closer to spring/summer
The way Araucarias grow in nature aborting lower branches as it gets taller, they can reach 50m tall, with most of the trunk bare...
This is the only Araucaria 名媛直播 on a real Naturalistic design that is... The artist is "Renato Hoenig".
Almost every Southern 名媛直播st here wants one, not easy tho. hahahaha
And this is an Araucaria in nature.
Araucaria are native from the coldest and higher regions of Brazil, it can tolerate very well about -5?C.
So I don't think that indoor would be an apropriate way to cultivate it... unless you get way more colder winters, so a shed could be good.
Just try to prune closer to spring/summer
The way Araucarias grow in nature aborting lower branches as it gets taller, they can reach 50m tall, with most of the trunk bare...
This is the only Araucaria 名媛直播 on a real Naturalistic design that is... The artist is "Renato Hoenig".
Almost every Southern 名媛直播st here wants one, not easy tho. hahahaha
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Posted 3 years 1 week ago #74096
Now you confusing me Albas. My answer was based on that it is an Norfolk island pine A. heterophylla. It is the most common one sold by thousands in christmas in Europe. Now I am not so sure .
Anyway, the lowest temperature ever recorded on Norfolk island is 6.2 degrees. However experience has told us it can take a few nights of light frost. Makes sence if it is related to a frost hardy species in Brazil.
What is very interesting is that Norfolk island is extreamly wet and humid in winter. Maybe that is why the endemic "pine" have such a problem to survive indoors in northern europe?
But as said, I am no longer certain about the species.
Anyway, the lowest temperature ever recorded on Norfolk island is 6.2 degrees. However experience has told us it can take a few nights of light frost. Makes sence if it is related to a frost hardy species in Brazil.
What is very interesting is that Norfolk island is extreamly wet and humid in winter. Maybe that is why the endemic "pine" have such a problem to survive indoors in northern europe?
But as said, I am no longer certain about the species.
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Posted 3 years 1 week ago #74098
Interesting, now that you pointed out, I think you might be right...
The type we have here is "Araucaria angustifolia", the needles seems a little bit different.
Some people plant Norfolk pines on their yards around here, it's called "Pinheiro de Camadas" or roughtly translated Layered Pine.
Never new it was an Araucaria, always learning.
The type we have here is "Araucaria angustifolia", the needles seems a little bit different.
Some people plant Norfolk pines on their yards around here, it's called "Pinheiro de Camadas" or roughtly translated Layered Pine.
Never new it was an Araucaria, always learning.
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Posted 2 years 8 months ago #75497
Hi I have a hoop pine which I received about 3 years ago, I repotted after getting it and have kept it outside since. We regularly get temperatures of -10 in winter and it seems happier in the colder months. I do prune it but tend to just half the extended cascading branches, always get more growth pushing through after pruning.
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Posted 3 days 9 hours ago #84920
So i am gonna start off with, i am full of myself and think im better then most of you "artists" because i am. My araucaria heterophylla survived heavy root pruning just fine. My araucaria araucana has 4 to 5 buds on every branch i clipped. Why am i being rude? Why am i bragging? Simple. Everyone else is spewing conjecture based on loose observations. Yes obviously its drying out...but why....you water it more and keep it hydrated....why no improvement? You saw the budding, it was going nuts with new growth. Most people just point the finger and go HA HA TOLD YOU CANT USE THAT SPECIES NOT BONSAI NURRNURNURRRR. So what could cause a tree you increase watering on to have further die off and drying branchs? Root rot. My suggestion is to treat them like a ficus, well draining soil, water when the top inch is drie. First you need to stave off the rot. Id mix a 1 to 4 ratio peroxide and water. For the first couple of watering sessions after use the peroxide. Ones growing root tips start to come back keep uo the frequancy of watering. Key is consitancy. More is almost always as bad as less. Get her stable with some peroxide cleaning, well draining soil, consitant watering. Trust me these planta are 10 times the plant they get credit for. Dont let people say you cant do it. You can. go save that plant. God speed.
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Posted 3 days 9 hours ago #84921
I dont know how to delete posts. Edit. This was a duplicate. Fuck
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