Wisteria sinensis for beginner ?
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Hello,
Its my first post so.. im glad to be here, hello ! Also forgive me my non-perfect english, im still working on it.
I dont have any practical experience with bonsai yet, all what i do have is only a bit of theory, and some general gardening experience. All what i can say is plants in the garden dont complain for my care. But im aware thats a totally different world.
I would like to start creating my first 名媛直播. I have chosen Wisteria Sinesis because its awesome flowers, and yes, i know - i wuld need to wait about 10 years to see them for first time. Plan is to start from the seed, it would give me at least one year (or more ?) of time to gain needed knowledge, tools etc, when plant would be growing.
Question is if this spiece is ok for beginner ? To be honest i dont see too many Wisteria 名媛直播 trees when i try to look for some inspiration in the net. So maybe.. i should chose something different ?
General plan is more or less like that:
1. plant the seed
2. let young Wisteria grow for at least one year without any ingerention (is that ok ? Or i should give more/less time ?)
3. Start prunning and bending to change plant shape in the directin of desired form.
Any advices from more advanced users ?
Its my first post so.. im glad to be here, hello ! Also forgive me my non-perfect english, im still working on it.
I dont have any practical experience with bonsai yet, all what i do have is only a bit of theory, and some general gardening experience. All what i can say is plants in the garden dont complain for my care. But im aware thats a totally different world.
I would like to start creating my first 名媛直播. I have chosen Wisteria Sinesis because its awesome flowers, and yes, i know - i wuld need to wait about 10 years to see them for first time. Plan is to start from the seed, it would give me at least one year (or more ?) of time to gain needed knowledge, tools etc, when plant would be growing.
Question is if this spiece is ok for beginner ? To be honest i dont see too many Wisteria 名媛直播 trees when i try to look for some inspiration in the net. So maybe.. i should chose something different ?
General plan is more or less like that:
1. plant the seed
2. let young Wisteria grow for at least one year without any ingerention (is that ok ? Or i should give more/less time ?)
3. Start prunning and bending to change plant shape in the directin of desired form.
Any advices from more advanced users ?
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Beter buy a wisteria that is already flowering from a nurcery. Only buy it in the period when they are flowering, so you know you have one that does flower. You say 10years, but some are flowering after 5years, some after 15 or 20years or even longer. Buy one plant(there here in the netherlands around 10/15euro), and just seed them as well, as a side project. Or take cuttings from the plant you buy. (more info about the cuttings:
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Remember wisteria bonsai don't look pretty al year. The period after flowering, is growing season. Those vines can grow 1 or 2meters in a season, and that can get messy. That is something you have to do when you want a ticker trunk on it. So be prepaired to give it some space while it is in it's growing fase.
My wisteria is not a bonsai, just a garden plant for me. It's in a 40L pot. And it already made a few 1meter vines, and summer is just getting started...
Remember wisteria bonsai don't look pretty al year. The period after flowering, is growing season. Those vines can grow 1 or 2meters in a season, and that can get messy. That is something you have to do when you want a ticker trunk on it. So be prepaired to give it some space while it is in it's growing fase.
My wisteria is not a bonsai, just a garden plant for me. It's in a 40L pot. And it already made a few 1meter vines, and summer is just getting started...
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Wisteria is pretty. I have one myself. That being said.. It is not pretty most of the year, and as bonsai.. They are on the margin from realistic bonsai. I mostly bought it for the flowers.
I think if you are just starting out, you do yourself a disservice by growing from seed (alone). Growing something from seed will take a long time AND it will take a long time before you are doing bonsai.
By all means, grow from seed too. But also get one or two established larger plants from a nursery. It avoids a lot of startup problems. Start with plants local to your climate, they are easiest to keep.
And keep in mind.. Plants need to outside to stay fit.
I think if you are just starting out, you do yourself a disservice by growing from seed (alone). Growing something from seed will take a long time AND it will take a long time before you are doing bonsai.
By all means, grow from seed too. But also get one or two established larger plants from a nursery. It avoids a lot of startup problems. Start with plants local to your climate, they are easiest to keep.
And keep in mind.. Plants need to outside to stay fit.
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Thanks for your replies !
Well, looks like its kinda "difficult" spiece as for starter. Grow speed indeed is a bit overhelming, but lucky for me - it can stay outside in garden so space is not "big" problem during summer... it can be problematic in the winter. Im curious about idea of letting it grow to get thicker trunk. Ok but.. if you get thicker trunk by letting it grow 2-3 meters long, and then just cut it to "desired" size - such sharp cutting wouldnt look strange ? I mean there will be no gradual trunk diameter change like in full size tree, but just "stick" with the same diameter from the ground to place where its cutted down. Or im missing here something ?
Anyway, according to your advices i will do as suggested: i will get some cheap local plant, (best if it will be something adviced for beginners) and also i will try grow wisteria from the seed (i do have seeds anyway already so..).
Do we have some place at forum where i could post pictures of current shape of both plants and ask for advices ?
Well, looks like its kinda "difficult" spiece as for starter. Grow speed indeed is a bit overhelming, but lucky for me - it can stay outside in garden so space is not "big" problem during summer... it can be problematic in the winter. Im curious about idea of letting it grow to get thicker trunk. Ok but.. if you get thicker trunk by letting it grow 2-3 meters long, and then just cut it to "desired" size - such sharp cutting wouldnt look strange ? I mean there will be no gradual trunk diameter change like in full size tree, but just "stick" with the same diameter from the ground to place where its cutted down. Or im missing here something ?
Anyway, according to your advices i will do as suggested: i will get some cheap local plant, (best if it will be something adviced for beginners) and also i will try grow wisteria from the seed (i do have seeds anyway already so..).
Do we have some place at forum where i could post pictures of current shape of both plants and ask for advices ?
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W sinensis is hardy to most of northern europe and a great part of us. If you dont live in a very cold or hot climate it can be outside year round.
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TerryFox wrote: . if you get thicker trunk by letting it grow 2-3 meters long, and then just cut it to "desired" size - such sharp cutting wouldnt look strange ? I mean there will be no gradual trunk diameter change like in full size tree, but just "stick" with the same diameter from the ground to place where its cutted down. Or im missing here something ?
With 2 metres, wisteria does not thicken much. As a vine, they need MUCH more growth to thicken up considerably.
SLow taper is gotten by e.g., letting the branches run. Cut back after X years, and let it run again. It is a slow process to do well.
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