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Hello all, I am new here but not really new to bonsai. I have had them for many years but always
tropical types so i can have them outside and also inside to enjoy.

I wanted to try some Pines this year, and i bought a Mugo pine and also a stone pine.
Although late in the year (Mid June) i now realize from reading about pines here on the board, i pruned and potted them.

They looked great for nearly 2 months, but now they are starting to brown up and if they continue to do it, will not survive.

Do you feel that the pruning and potting eventually in June eventually caught up with them? or could this be an issue of over watering?
As it has been very hot lately, I have been watering 2 times a day....

Is there any hope these will pull through ?

If you have experience with Pines, your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Andrew

They sort look good for now, try not to prune next year. Lots of TLC

You say they are browning up- on the pictures you posted i cant see any brown?
Some young vigorous pines ( as yours were) can take a beating ( pruning and repotting in the same time,on the wrong moment) with the right aftercare. Btw, it is way too soon for a bonsai pot, there was absolutely no reason to repot. And you can not expect to make a bonsai in one session, it takes years/decades to do so.

The one on the left seems to have a little yellowing of needles, probably due to re potting at completely the wrong time. If you also wired at the same time that was a double wammie. Never do such work at the same time, one at a time is necessary to avoid damaging the health of the tree. The other one looks fine, if it is hot then watering twice a day is needed, Just do nothing more to allow them to recover. From an asthetic point of view, the tree on the left has too many low branches that are also handlebar, so at the correct time I would be removing several of the branches. The other tree also has too many branches.

Hi Everyone, thanks for the comments. You guys are right that re-potting, pruning are wiring all in the same year is a lot.

Maybe I should have just hard pruned and put them in a smaller nursery pot, as the ones they came in were GIGANTIC and the root ball was encased in rope and burlap. Plus i read you are not supposed to wash roots of conifers?!

so i am learning a lot but at the expense of these 2 trees.

I tried to post the current pics but they didn't upload. the pics you saw were same week as i worked on them. this is them now.

PS - I put a little Conifer fertilizer on them 2 weeks ago and this is when I started seeing browning start. I used VERY little (1/2 teaspoon) but not sure if this is just a coincidence.

....you did all that and washed the roots??? They will die- or are already...
You should have asked first, and do later, instead of do first and then when you experience problems ask for help.. ( that goes for almost everything in life)

Mugo do not like that amount of work in one. Been there and done it killed it. They both are not going to survive. You must NEVER wash roots of Pines. To prune and wire as well, is just not done. As Luc said, ask first. Fertiliser should not be put on sick trees or newly re potted either.

lucR wrote: ....you did all that and washed the roots??? They will die- or are already...
You should have asked first, and do later, instead of do first and then when you experience problems ask for help.. ( that goes for almost everything in life)

My Air Force brother said, "Ready, fire, aim." He also said don't do it that way.

Modern culture sort of encourages go for it, just do it, etc., which is what salespeople like. It's really not a bad idea to research first. This is a great lesson.

Thanks for the input. I really do appreciate it.

What I have noticed though after doing alot of watching youtube (Herons, Saunders etc...)
Is that they show them pruning, wiring and potting all in one episode. Naturally, i copy this.
EXAMPLE:


They also do not really get into what the timing should be. I now notice that they always seem to work on the pines in the spring as they are wearing winter coats in the videos. Can someone recommend some good reading on the needs and timing of various species ?

ok, found this:

Leaf and Branch Pruning: The pruning of pine bonsai trees is a slow and patient undertaking. 名媛直播 enthusiasts must resist the urge to remove too much foliage or growth. Any heavy pruning of the branch or trunk should be carried out in the fall to minimize sap loss. All wounds can be sealed with petroleum jelly.

Re-potting & Growing Medium: The extent of the tree?s root development will dictate when it should be re-potted. On average, re-potting becomes necessary after two to five years. Re-potting should be carried out in mid-spring just as new growth begins. Mugo pine, however, responds more favorably to being re-potted in the summer months. Pine should be re-potted in soil that is highly free-draining. The roots should not be washed, and some of the old soil should be incorporated into the new soil because it will contain Micorrhiza. Micorrhiza are fungi that help to maintain the health of the plant.

Wiring: The tree responds to wiring, but it must be approached in the same way as pruning: Just a little at a time.

Notes: Pine bonsai trees, while beautiful, are not for the uninitiated. The trees are highly challenging, and beginner bonsai enthusiasts should gain experience with other species of trees before attempting to train pine trees.