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Well I'll have to disagree.. with the right skills collecting yamadori is a good way to start. Sorry to hear that collecting trees is so hard for you, but I've found it to be a good way to learn. With the info available at this site, with an hour of research most people would be able to collect and have the tree thrive. I did and do, all my bonsai I have collected are now amazing trees. Yes some will die but that is a part of it.

Well.. You must have a talent. Even the most talented yamadori collecters I know have serious losses in some years.

I do not live in an area where you can find yamadori. So I have to stick to young trees. But even there.. Collecting a 80 year yew is not a guarantee to success. And unfortunately, of the 3 40 year old carpinus I collected, 2 did not make it.

leatherback wrote:

Beiermann wrote: If you're new to bonsai I'd not grow younger trees like that but go yamadori collecting. So going out in the forests and look for good bonsai material. This way you get a much quicker learning curve and you can use a wider range of skills to work with the trees. Of course, keep and work with the trees you have. But for more results and more fun I'd collect yamadori.

SOrry, but to recommend someone who has no clue to collect yamadori is not only bad advice, but also irresponsible. People who have no clue are in no way capable of successfully collecting an ancient tree.

Well with the information available here I see no problems for a newbie to collect trees. Of course get the propper permissions, land owners or who ever is in charge of the land.
I started out collecting yamadori, with the right knowledge and preparation it's a good way to start. You're not gonna get that kinda knowledge and experience if you don't challenge yourself. I'd say people who don't collect are missing out on a good part of the experience.

I guess we will have to disagree. I think it is a bad idea to send someone who does not know whether they can keep a 2 year old seedling in a pot alive out to dig up and probably kill a tree that has been in a spot for decades if not centuries. But I guess we all have a different level of respect for the living world.

Beiermann wrote: Well with the information available here I see no problems for a newbie to collect trees. Of course get the propper permissions, land owners or who ever is in char

Collecting them is easy, if you have the tools like crowbars and use a lot of force. The tree won't survive that, of course.
Properly collecting a yamadori is a different matter. Yamadori are older trees, that stayed small due to their environment, often growing in a small space and their roots growing into cracks in rocks. Such trees CANNOT be collected easily and it is certainly not something for a beginner. It requires lots of preparation, multiple visits, a lot of work, and the proper aftercare.

Now, I do understand why you think collecting yamadori is easy, as you think this is a yamadori:



It most certainly is not.

This is:

Guess Tony is wrong. Yamadori are too expensive and he is making a fool of him here.

An alternative to yamadori is find somebody landscaping and help them by digging up trees, etc., so you get old material not in the woods. Just an idea.

You have several options. All are designed to caliper out the tree, create good radial roots, and develop curvature while ensuring the trees height doesn’t get out of control. The main thing is to create ideal conditions in which the trees will grow really fast while you manage the items mentioned above. There are additional considerations on how to do this most importantly what species of tree and where you can grow your trees. From here on what you are asking is actually, I believe, beyond the a blog forum. I’d recommend hitting some good resources, There are some great online classes here at 名媛直播 Empire, but I would start with the articles at first, then also get some good books. cheers

Also, I’m absolutely opposed to harvesting yamadori. I know that’s a little heretical from a bonsai enthusiast. My reasons are many, including that taking yamadori strips our environment of centuries old trees that have withstood the forces of nature that are there for everyone to enjoy. Japan is a prime example where collectors have stripped the environment of ancient yamadori. It’s intensely selfish and the generations after us suffer an irreplaceable loss. Search the built landscape, building sites undergoing renovation etc as Ivan recommend or buy some older trees while you hone your skills on the younger trees.

Gene wrote: Also, I’m absolutely opposed to harvesting yamadori.

These are your first two posts on this forum? Excellent. Welcome !