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Posted 5 years 8 months ago #49367
Hey guys I've had my Chinese Elm around 6 months now and have just repotted, pruned properly (only really trimmed before) and wired for the first time! I struggled a bit with figuring what was going where and I'm a little worried i've over-pruned although when doing it I had the shape very much in mind, and wired accordingly (manipulating just a few of the branches). The reason for repotting is due to its old pot having a massive rock in it and causing the roots to grow only to the left.

Apart from the lacking substrate mix (which I'll be picking up more of first thing tomorrow) I just wondered if anyone had any tips or what not for me and my 名媛直播. I'm truly enjoying taking care of my 名媛直播 and have loved working on it today. I water most days (every day if the sun is out) and add liquid fertiliser once a week as per the fertiliser instructions. As said I'm a little worried that I maybe have pruned to much or wired incorrectly so any pointers would be great.

Thanks so much!

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Posted 5 years 8 months ago #49370
Take the wire off. Too much fertiliser and not enough soil in the pot. I hope it is outside,. The wire is doing nothing at all, As you have just done so much work you should not be using fertiliser. Give the plant time to recover before considering any further action.
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Posted 5 years 8 months ago #49371
...yikes....:ohmy:

Lesson one: never ever prune , wire and repot in one session
Do you have a before the torment picture?
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Posted 5 years 8 months ago #49373

tteallx wrote: repotted, pruned properly and wired
lacking substrate mix add liquid fertiliser once a week as per the fertiliser instructions.


The wiring looks pretty good, for someone who did it for the first time. It's not perfect, but it's not terrible either.
I disagree about removing it: you will stress the plant even more.

And... you stressed it so much that you may have killed it. You should NOT wire, prune, repot at the same time, and fertilize right away.
There's little foliage left - so the plant will not get much energy to be able to recover. It will need to grow leaves first.

You should have prepared properly and have the required soil available.

My prediction: the plant will grow some new leaves. These will shrivel up, fall off, and the plant will die.

But I am regularly wrong. Let's wait and see what happens.
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Posted 5 years 8 months ago #49376

lucR wrote:
Lesson one: never ever prune , wire and repot in one session


The Sunset bonsai book that I got in the sixties said to balance root trimming and branch trimming. Roots supply water to leaves. Too few leaves and the roots can't move the water up. Too few roots and the leaves can't get the water they need. So, cut off about as much root mass as branches. It makes sense to me to hold off wiring because I really want to think about moving the branches around but I don't see that stresses the plant. Is there a physical reason for this or is it esthetics?
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Posted 5 years 8 months ago #49379

Ivan Mann wrote:

lucR wrote:
Lesson one: never ever prune , wire and repot in one session


The Sunset bonsai book that I got in the sixties said to balance root trimming and branch trimming. Roots supply water to leaves. Too few leaves and the roots can't move the water up. Too few roots and the leaves can't get the water they need. So, cut off about as much root mass as branches. It makes sense to me to hold off wiring because I really want to think about moving the branches around but I don't see that stresses the plant. Is there a physical reason for this or is it esthetics?


My other hobby is photography. When i started taking lessons the first thing they told me was this: there are 10 rules to follow in photography, learn all 9 of them. Of course we asked 9, you just said 10. He said ah, yes, the last lesson is forget all other lessons.. That never made sense untill years later i got it...

Back to bonsai: a lot of beginning bonsai enthousiasts don't know ( yet) how to balance root pruning and branch pruning, over-or underdoing it. Combine that with poor repotting and wiring techniques, a lot of fiddling afterwards, loads of fertilizer and a lot of plants die after such a brutal treatment..
Hence the follow the "rules"...
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Posted 5 years 8 months ago #49384

Ivan Mann wrote: So, cut off about as much root mass as branches


Hm. No. Not really.

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Posted 5 years 8 months ago #49395
I should have said balance roots and leaf area. Your article says it much better.

Thanks.
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Posted 5 years 8 months ago #49399
Great to see you dipping your toe in the water, and trying to go ahead.

If I look at your tree, I see too many branches that are not very useful. As I cannot tell what you did to the roots, I cannot see whether it was too much or not. Personally I also at times do both rootwork and styling in one sitting. Depending on the gentleness of your hands, the health of the tree , the species and the season this may or my not give you trouble.

It being an elm, chances are you will be ok. For now, be very careful with watering. only when the soil is getting towards drying out. Never ever should the soil be really wet. too wet is a serious problem right now.

Stop fertilizing until you have a few new leaves on every branch.
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