Paranoid trees?
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Plant intelligence interests me becausee I wonder what its fans mean by "intelligence." So, I'll tell you what I learn about the subject. Meanwhile, please tell me whether you agree with something I read a few nights ago. An article said plants don't like to be touched. Supposedly, if you touch them gently, the fight back, change their genetic makeup, and slow their?growth rate by 30 percent. Do your trees grow at their usual speeds after you prune and style them?
The?video?me got me thinking about what a tree did when I watched Peter Chan lop off a treetop in a video. In another one, I saw a South American vine mimicing leaves on nearby plants when the narrator wondered whether the vine?watched the other?plants.
Is this stuff more believable than New Age speculations? Will my tree think,"Oh no, it's him again?" I doubt it, but after reading some astounding documets about plant intelligence I'm trying to stay open-minded.
The?video?me got me thinking about what a tree did when I watched Peter Chan lop off a treetop in a video. In another one, I saw a South American vine mimicing leaves on nearby plants when the narrator wondered whether the vine?watched the other?plants.
Is this stuff more believable than New Age speculations? Will my tree think,"Oh no, it's him again?" I doubt it, but after reading some astounding documets about plant intelligence I'm trying to stay open-minded.
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Yes they do. Actually summer pruning make them take off even more than they did before. Maybe because I keep them so crowded that pruning let more sun in.BillMcEnaney wrote: Do your trees grow at their usual speeds after you prune and style them?
Peter chan chopping away trees may come thrue as cruel for a sensitive soul, I can understand that. But what about those lawn care channels? Chopping 50% or more on milions of plants. If our bonsais is suffering, what are the grass doing. Or are the grass less important to a human brain that we neglect the suffering? What about potatoes? We ripa them out of their prefered environment and peal their skin off while they are still alive. That must be cruel? Or do we neglect suffering because of carbs. Lets not mention live stock. We know for sure they want to live, but still we eat them.
BTW intelligence is a concept invented by humans to measure other humans. Neigther other animals nor plants responds very well to intelligence tests.
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Are trees?looking for some one to touch them, and then when some one finally touches them do they say, ah, at last, i can cut growth back 30%?
Or, do they hate being touched and shrink away, hoping from all touch?
The word that applies is anthropomorphism, where we impute human reasoning and habits to something that is completely different.
Trees don't have brains, desires, yearning, or anything else that implies a nervous system. They do have growth habits, complicated chemistry, and more than enough to study without psychological analysis.?
Or, do they hate being touched and shrink away, hoping from all touch?
The word that applies is anthropomorphism, where we impute human reasoning and habits to something that is completely different.
Trees don't have brains, desires, yearning, or anything else that implies a nervous system. They do have growth habits, complicated chemistry, and more than enough to study without psychological analysis.?
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We humans like to seek similarities with what we call intelingence in the environment.
That's pure?anthropomorphism...
Most of those claims have since been debunked, we might discover more mechanisms in the future, but we must separate it from recurrent non-sense we see in the internet for views...
Plants do not think or reason, like Ivann said, they don't have brains or a nervous system, they react to the environment, and do have chemical reactions that are fundamental for them to survive...
Trees speed up when you prune for simple reasons like more light getting into inner buds, and the fact that you reduced the amount of leaves and now the tree has a big supply of sap/energy to direct somewhere else. It's again,?a plant reacting to the environment, simple as that.
If someone is paranoid in that story, I would say it's humans.?
That's pure?anthropomorphism...
Most of those claims have since been debunked, we might discover more mechanisms in the future, but we must separate it from recurrent non-sense we see in the internet for views...
Plants do not think or reason, like Ivann said, they don't have brains or a nervous system, they react to the environment, and do have chemical reactions that are fundamental for them to survive...
Trees speed up when you prune for simple reasons like more light getting into inner buds, and the fact that you reduced the amount of leaves and now the tree has a big supply of sap/energy to direct somewhere else. It's again,?a plant reacting to the environment, simple as that.
If someone is paranoid in that story, I would say it's humans.?
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