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or somekind of specific hybrid of a rose, cherry or something.

I agree it does not exactly look like an elm, and it's mostly the leaves, that seem waxy/shiny and thicker then elm leaves.

I have no idea, really, but if I have to guess, I'd say it is a hawthorn:
Crataegus crus-galli / cockspur hawthorn

whahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

epic idea, best yet, it can only be be this hawthorn, not any other hawthorn as their leaves are lobed...

cool guess auk, well done !

bob wrote: whahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
epic idea, best yet, it can only be be this hawthorn, not any other hawthorn as their leaves are lobed...
cool guess auk, well done !

I disagree. Don't get carried away, it CAN be something else. As I wrote, I don't know - I am guessing.
My guess is based on what I *THINK* I see - the shape, color and texture of the leaves, the serrated edge of the leaves, the stems of the leaves, the color of the twigs, position of the leaves on the twigs, but it is still a guess based on photos.

Maybe Alain can compare and let us know if this guess makes sense.

Auk wrote: I agree it does not exactly look like an elm, and it's mostly the leaves, that seem waxy/shiny and thicker then elm leaves.

I have no idea, really, but if I have to guess, I'd say it is a hawthorn:
Crataegus crus-galli / cockspur hawthorn

Uhmmm... I don?t know either, but it doesn?t really feel like a hawthorn (I?ve already googled the species you prompted). You?ll see it has no thorns in any of its branches and since June at least (first time I discovered it) I?ve seen no flowers on it. Like Bob said, it does bare a fruit, but the fruit doesn?t look either like hawthorn?s. One thing I don?t know yet is wether the leaves will turn gold to red or not when autumn comes, for this I?ll have to wait a couple of months. I have to say though, that the leaves do look similar indeed, so it was a good educated guess Auk. Still, I remain not knowing with absolute certainty what species it is

Thanks Auk

alainleon1983 wrote: Uhmmm... I don?t know either, but it doesn?t really feel like a hawthorn (I?ve already googled the species you prompted). You?ll see it has no thorns in any of its branches

Ah yes... something I overlooked. NOT a hawthorn then.
Also, when I looked closer, they are both single serrated, but one them has deeper serration.

So, we still don't know what it is exactly.

alainleon1983 wrote: Uhmmm... I don?t know either, but it doesn?t really feel like a hawthorn (I?ve already googled the species you prompted). You?ll see it has no thorns in any of its branches

Erm...



Did it have red berries ?

alainleon1983 wrote: since June at least (first time I discovered it) I?ve seen no flowers

Crataegus Crus-Galli var. inernis

Bloom Time: May

So could still be possible.

Bob is going to warn you not to eat the seeds, as they are poisonous when ingested.

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Looking for more info, I found:

White flowers (in corymbs to 3”) bloom in May for a period of 7-10 days. Flowers emit an unpleasant fragrance. Flowers are followed by rounded fruits (3/8” diameter) that ripen to deep red in fall (September-October)

'Cruzam', commonly sold under the trade name of CRUSADER, is a thornless plant with a slightly more compact shape. Some authorities currently list thornless forms of C. crus-galli as var. inermis (meaning unarmed)

So could be a 'Cruzam' ("many authorities [...] do not recognize var. inermis as a valid varietal form)"

You may need to wait for the fruits to ripen (or till may next year) to be sure.

I do think this species is quite suitable for bonsai.

Auk wrote: So could still be possible.

However...

On this one the shape and serration of the leaves seems different :whistle:

Auk wrote:

bob wrote: whahooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
epic idea, best yet, it can only be be this hawthorn, not any other hawthorn as their leaves are lobed...
cool guess auk, well done !

I disagree. Don't get carried away, it CAN be something else. As I wrote, I don't know - I am guessing.
My guess is based on what I *THINK* I see - the shape, color and texture of the leaves, the serrated edge of the leaves, the stems of the leaves, the color of the twigs, position of the leaves on the twigs, but it is still a guess based on photos.


Maybe Alain can compare and let us know if this guess makes sense.

I do get carried away sometimes but still, best shot yet. The leaves are edible on hawthorn, so only way to find out... Only kidding :lol: !