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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #80379
I wanted to hear some opinions on my formal upright spruce. Any tips would be great. Thanks.
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #80405
You must decide for yourself what you think look good. All people think different.

In any case, no matter what answers you get, please don't act on them emedantly. Now is not the right time for big work on trees and this one has already had enough.
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #80407
I think it looks good, do you? I’m not making any changes anyway. It’s been wired for a while too. Like 3 months.
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #80412
It is always hard to get an opinion on a 2 dimensional picture. But using the what I have and using the basic guidelines.

The trunk still lacks taper. But in this style it is not as important as in others and the style itself is suporting taper development.

The outher silouette is quite nice and can become really good given time.

It seems that front and back branches is missing. There are a lot of scars on the front sugesting you remowed important branches.

There are still a few handle bar branches that will need to be removed in the future.

Second branch on the right side on the photo is on the wrong place.

To sumarice, the best work out of all bad works you have shown on the forum recently.
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #80421
Ok, what are handlebar branches, and how would I do the back and front branches because would there just be branches sticking out the front. And some of them are going to the back it’s just hard to see.
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #80423
That is the very basic design conciderations you need to study before starting to hack into trees.

Handle bar branches is a spot on the trunk where more than one branch is growing. Making them look like a bike handlebar. Those places risks to bulge up and create inverse taper.

You have remowed a lot of suitable front branches. Now you ask how to create new ones. The answer is backbudding. Not really reliable on conifers. Get a lottery ticket.

My suggestion is to buy a few more mature trees and a good bonsai book. Spend at least a year just growing the trees happy and healthy. Meanwhile, study the trees and your book, visit local bonsai club and interact with the members. Look on reference pictures online and make up your plan for the future of that trees. Do not start to hack them down after a coupple of hours consideration, but a coupple of years.

If you need advices on design ask before designing and listen to the advices you get.

In the future you will laugh at your early atemts. I know I do. Most of mine is still alive, some of yours will not make it.
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #80425
Yeah I’m gonna let all of these trees that are small grow in a shady spot in my backyard, I fertilized them and I will let them go. Most of them are in big pots, I wired the trunk for movement and I will try to do the taper thing on them. The spruce I will leave there and see if it backbuds. How do you wire the front branches because I have heard that branches coming straight at you aren’t good.
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Posted 1 year 6 months ago #80428
Correct. "Eye pokers" is what they are called. I will leave that question open for your own research going forward. Look at some good looking formal upright trees online. Do they have a bare trunk exposed all the way from the soil up to the top? If not, where do they have branches growing forward to the viewer?
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #80878
I think it looks great. I've tried to do similar things and end up cutting off too much, I think you did a great job.
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Posted 1 year 5 months ago #80880
Hey Logan! I think Tropfrog gave you some cool advises here, sometimes we watch a tree for months or years before finally removing branches and give it a path, you should really study those style guidelines so you can improve your work, I mean, some people would be ok with simpler trees you know, some would like to go further into the art, and it's ok both ways, that's why Tropfrog says it's up to you to decide how it looks, but if you want to improve it, there are some "wrongs" you have to learn from.

>Handlebar branches is something to avoid.
>Avoid branches going on a different angle than other branches about the same age, all the branches will be mainly horizontal or slightly drooping as if weighed down by snow in winter, so it's weird to see some going up on that style, or even different angles.
>Looking from the top the crown must be somehow radial, doesn't need to be symetric, but it's better not having a branch exactly on top of another.
>That being said, you need branches on the back to give a depth impression, an in the front for the same purpose, front branches are generally on the top third of the tree.

Most important, study! All those informations are out there for you to grab! And that is indispensable for improving.
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