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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #68055
Hi everyone,

I was wondering what everyone recommends as far as liquid fertilizer goes. I just repotted my bonsai into bonsai soil, and I was told I needed to fertilize due to the lack of dirt in the mix. I found the Dyna-Gro product online but after seeing some negative reviews, I wanted to ask the experts. I have a ginseng ficus, fuschia, and some unknown tree. Thank you all!
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #68059
In my beginner periode i used a liquid universal cheap firtilizer, from some low end store. I still use that for some plants.

Now mostly using water soluble universal (chemical) fertilizer 20-20-20+mg+micronutrients.
If you buy 20-20-20. And follow the instruction on the package, then its 20-20-20. Do half a dose and your on 10-10-10 one forth of a dose is 5-5-5.
I find the chemichel fitilizers easer to use, then bio stuff.
I use it from this supplier YaraTera productname: Kristalon 20-20-20
Don't know if that is buyable all over the world. But i guess if you look around localy you might find a simular product.

As me as a dutchmen, i use a bucket of dried cow manure a season too. :woohoo: That goes in cups or in theabags on top of the substrate.
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #68060
Thank you so much for the advice! The cow manure is a very clever idea haha. I am located in the USA so unfortunately no YaraTera for me, but I did just find some 20-20-20 by a brand called Jack's here, so I think I'll give that a try. Thank you again :)
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #68061
Cow manure has little to no nutrients, it’s basically processed grass. Cow manure adds organic mater to the substrate
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #68088

lucR wrote: Cow manure has little to no nutrients, it’s basically processed grass. Cow manure adds organic mater to the substrate


I did not believe this, asked Dr. Google, and found there are only low levels, and mostly not available. I was surprised. Back in farm country cow pastures had spots of thick green grass which we always thought were where cow piles had contributed nutrients.

Farmers will clean out their neighbors' chicken houses just to get the chicken manure, a dirty, nasty job, and chicken manure has about four times the nutrient levels. Horse manure is fabled as tomato fertilizer. This is good information. Thanks, lucr.
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #68089

Ivan Mann wrote:

lucR wrote: Cow manure has little to no nutrients, it’s basically processed grass. Cow manure adds organic mater to the substrate


I did not believe this, asked Dr. Google, and found there are only low levels, and mostly not available. I was surprised. Back in farm country cow pastures had spots of thick green grass which we always thought were where cow piles had contributed nutrients.


You are not the only one not believing that, i even had discussions with experienced gardeners that almost got angry about it ( could have been my obnoxious attitude too of course ;) :P )
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #68093
Perhaps low in nutrients release, but it releases it constantly over a period of about a month.

Dried Manure has more to release, then directly from stable manure.
'CowManureFromStable/Stalkoemest' N 0,6 P 0,3 K 0,5 mg 0,2 calcium 0,4
'Old(at least 6month to prevent burning)ChickenManure/Kippenmest N1,2 P1,7 K2 mg0,4 calcium2,9
'DriedCowManureGrains/Koemestkorrels' N 2,5P 1,4 K 1,5 mg 0,6 calcium 0,6

If i don't give cow manure to my strawberry's, the leaves will stay small, and the plant it self will give small strawberry's.
If i give a small hand two times a season, i have 5x bigger leaves and bigger strawberry's.
I don't give strawberry's chemical firtilizers or others as they are for my comsumpion.

i even had discussions with experienced gardeners that almost got angry about it

I am one, but not angry lol. that says too manure or compost is enough for garden or eatable gardens.
Perhaps it releases less at once, but plants will grow on it. Ofcouse not as good as chemicel fitilizers, as they don't need bacteria to change it to nutrients the plant can take up. That works ofcouse always faster.
But to say cowmanure does not work as a firtilizer or as no nutrients in it is not the case. Yes it has way less then other firtilizers.
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #68095

Rorror wrote: I don't give strawberry's chemical firtilizers or others as they are for my comsumpion.


I hope you realize there is no difference in the stuff you call chemical, and the nutrients the plant takes up right?
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #68096
I do bellieve that amonium nitrate is the most common form of nitrogen source in inorganic fertilizer. I also bellieve that this is a very unusual chemical compound in organic fertilizers.

Also the sustainability in production is a difference, but that the tree dont care about at all.

I use organic fertilizer in all my plants except for epiphytes and bonsai. None of them have enough capacity in soil to proper mineralice the fertilizer and most of it just flush away with the water. I use solid slow release fertilizer in the soil and I have the luxury of koi pond water in excess to water the tree with, which gives small amounts of macro fertilizer in every watering.
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #68107

leatherback wrote:

Rorror wrote: I don't give strawberry's chemical firtilizers or others as they are for my comsumpion.


I hope you realize there is no difference in the stuff you call chemical, and the nutrients the plant takes up right?


Now, leatherback, certainly you know that organic nitrogen is made from carbon and is completely different from inorganic nitrogen, made from nasty chemicals, like nitrogen?:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

OK, seriously: plants roots take up nitrogen (and everything else) from the soil and can't tell the difference between one source or another. You supply the fertilizer and the roots take up what they want.
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