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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #67821
A couple of years back I bought my first 名媛直播 and like most uninformed hobbyists gradually killed it by placing it on my mantle where it did not have a lot of light. Like a good bonsai-ist (sp?) this time around I was determined to do better. I purchased a cute little pre-bonsai and followed the steps to prune and pot it. Then placed it outside where it should thrive. I was nervous as it was still early March in Ontario (Canada) and the weather this time of year is quite variable. I read that it should be fine in all but the most bitter conditions and so proceeded. Nevertheless, we had a few days with cold nights and high winds and it began to suffer. I ended up bringing it in for a few nights until the weather was improved but it continued to decline and I assumed I had killed it and was deciding if I should wait till I had more experience before trying another juniper. To my surprise over the last 1-2 weeks, amidst the brown, there appeared to be green beneath. The main branches appeared to have a fair bit of spring to them yet and a fingernail test shows bright green under the bark.

So, I conclude this poor little tree is alive! Am I correct in assuming that the stress of repotting, pruning, and then fierce weather (cold and drying from wind) is likely what went wrong here? Perhaps getting blasted by cold weather without a chance to go into dormancy? Is there anything I can do to help it along at this point?
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #67826
If your tree is alive, congratulations!

When I get a new tree, I try not to do anything in the first year. No shaping, heavy pruning, repotting until one year has passed. Most of the trees I have been able to keep my hands off for one year are still alive. I know this is hard in the beginning, but at some point, the trees you have had for years keep you busy all year around, and you don’t even find the time to torture the newcomers.
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #67931

persimmon wrote: If your tree is alive, congratulations!

When I get a new tree, I try not to do anything in the first year. No shaping, heavy pruning, repotting until one year has passed. Most of the trees I have been able to keep my hands off for one year are still alive. I know this is hard in the beginning, but at some point, the trees you have had for years keep you busy all year around, and you don’t even find the time to torture the newcomers.


A year some impressive patience, although I suppose the art of 名媛直播 trains that too! You must be selective at this point, I can't imagine hanging onto nursery stock in a grower for a year! Your point is well received, the temptation is to do everything at once and at the very least I should have considered re-potting and then giving it some time before messing with everything else.
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #67934
All that for one year?!?
I have a juniper that has been purchased 7 years ago and it’s still in a training pot, and I’m pretty sure we have people here whose projects have been going on for way more than a decade without reaching the “bonsai pot” stage yet... :-)
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #67937

BofhSkull wrote: All that for one year?!?
I have a juniper that has been purchased 7 years ago and it’s still in a training pot, and I’m pretty sure we have people here whose projects have been going on for way more than a decade without reaching the “bonsai pot” stage yet... :-)


Haha I'm sure they are more selective in terms of what they deem "display worthy" too; I have a suspicious feeling my little project wouldn't make the cut
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #67943
I cannot see that anyone tolv you yet. So here comes the shocking truth. Your tree is dead.
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #67945

Tropfrog wrote: I cannot see that anyone tolv you yet. So here comes the shocking truth. Your tree is dead.


Yeah, topic derailed. But yes, absolutely a goner, no doubts about it.
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #67946

BofhSkull wrote:

Tropfrog wrote: I cannot see that anyone tolv you yet. So here comes the shocking truth. Your tree is dead.


Yeah, topic derailed. But yes, absolutely a goner, no doubts about it.


Not so shocking. That said, for education purposes is it a goner because in spite of of signs of life it won't be able to recover any further from such a weakened state (slow death from here)? Is the fingernail test therefore not useful?

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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #67947
Junipers can still look "ok-ish" months after having died, so that test doesn't tell as much as it can do with other species (that is "not much" anyways).

The brownish foliage in your picture is all clearly dead, and the green part is simply the color it gets before becoming brown. Meaning it's all dead, and it's been for a while; like several weeks.

Junipers (and in general most conifers) don't have the ability to sprout new foliage from a naked branch: if there's no foliage producing energy on a given branch, that branch just dies.

So if there's no active foliage producing energy on the entire plant, the entire plant dies.
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Posted 3 years 8 months ago #67949

BofhSkull wrote:
Junipers (and in general most conifers) don't have the ability to sprout new foliage from a naked branch: if there's no foliage producing energy on a given branch, that branch just dies.


Thank you, this is quite helpful actually. I've read how the Juniper gets its energy from the foliage, particularly the buds, and so be careful with aggressive pruning for that reason as you are reducing the tree's capacity to feed itself and even recover from the pruning.

I had hopes that since it was getting greener perhaps it would generate new buds and mend but it sounds like having lost most if not all of its foliage it will have no means of producing energy and will just wither once what it has left is spent.
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