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Posted 6 years 7 months ago #40366
For the past week I've been continuously watching videos and reading articles about Yamadori. What I really don't understand is the concept behind it, when does exactly a yamadori become a bonsai? I believe that the tree is already shaped by nature, if you find a 20-30 years old one, this is already aged and the trunk is formed. Does the tree become a bonsai only after is given a certain branch movement and some deadwood work? Also it seems a bit odd because you've lost those years of seeing the tree slowly getting mature, all you do is to basically collect the tree and then work with it until you've reached the results you had in your head so can this be called doing bonsai?

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Posted 6 years 7 months ago #40370
All 名媛直播 in Japan back in the beginning were Yamadori. Once they got short on material from nature they turned to artificially shrink trees and keep them small. Yamadori is the beginning of 名媛直播, not sub 名媛直播.
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Posted 6 years 7 months ago #40380
Thanks for the reply spacewood!

So I understand that there is a scarcity of yamadori in Japan and China but I am talking about the general idea here. If for instance I go in a forest in my home country and I collect a yamadori, when will the yamadori become a bonsai? What processes or characteristics does the tree need to have in order to be called a bonsai?
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Posted 6 years 7 months ago #40381
Yamadori is way to get your tree that will be made into 名媛直播. The original. Its a 名媛直播 at the end and there is no difference to other trees made artificially small etc.
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Posted 6 years 7 months ago #40382
You apply same techniques to make it 名媛直播, what I mean, there is nothing special or specific about it.
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Posted 6 years 7 months ago #40386
even a yamadori can take years to become a good bonsai after collecting. not all yamadori trees will have good ramification so that would be something you have to work on or even branch movement. sometimes people will perform heavy bending in the branches. you dont just collect a tree and pot it in a small pot and call it a bonsai, there is still alot of training involved most the time.
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Posted 6 years 7 months ago #40388
I see now. So basically after you collected a yamadori, you have to make sure the ramification is correct then try to make a nice branch movement while it still has a natural form of a real tree. That's what i didn't get you know, like what makes a tree a bonsai. Guess is the shape of a natural tree while having a nice movement and ramification
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Posted 6 years 7 months ago #40389

if you find a 20-30 years old one, this is already aged and the trunk is formed. Does the tree become a bonsai only after is given a certain branch movement and some deadwood work? Also it seems a bit odd because you've lost those years of seeing the tree slowly getting mature


That's a really strange statement. You have not lost 20-30 years, you have gained them. Also, 20-30 years is nothing. Some are centuries old.
Let me repeat the definition (or one of the definitions) again:

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"To the Japanese, not every tree dug from the Mountainside is classed as Yamadori. It has to show the battle of growing many years in its form, with its old cracked bark and its trunk twisted by the elements. Such trees are not easy found and the title, Yamadori, is not given lightly"

So no, not any tree collected from the wild is a yamadori.

That's what i didn't get you know, like what makes a tree a bonsai. Guess is the shape of a natural tree while having a nice movement and ramification


That too is not quite right - it is not only movement and ramification, there's more to it.
Here's a start:

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Posted 6 years 7 months ago #40390

Auk wrote: "To the Japanese, not every tree dug from the Mountainside is classed as Yamadori. It has to show the battle of growing many years in its form, with its old cracked bark and its trunk twisted by the elements. Such trees are not easy found and the title, Yamadori, is not given lightly"


Right. Most important features of Yamadori that are looked into 名媛直播. The more it is naturally given with 名媛直播 features the better.
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